'From learned men or mahatmas become compliant with the Veda 
Shastras, understanding the relationship of one's own duty [with the 
dharma of others]. If you do not automatically accept the Veda 
Shastra enquire from them [learned men or mahatmas] the way for 
yourself then right away they can sift [the scriptures].
- The neighbour puts the head in the drain -'
[Guru Dev quoted in 'Amrit Kana']

Please Michael, Don't try and raise an argument with me about caste 
system, it's pointless and leads nowhere.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" <premanandpaul@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Try the Shastras?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Guru Dev on Varnas (castes)
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#varnoM
> > > 
> > > "Wherever happiness is to be, there nobody is brahmana, is not
> > > kshatriya, is not vaishya, is not shudra. In Paramatma there is 
> > > difference in anyone, the difference then is in business."
> > > 
> > > Okay, very nice quotes. In fact it says in quintessence, that 
> > > important thing is mukti and not varna. But it does not define, 
who a
> > > Brahmana is.
> Like: The knower of Brahman is Brahman?
> As I pointed out, Ganapathy Muni and Kapali Shastri think that the
> Varna system was not hereditary. I pointed out some examples before 
> the other thread. For example, in the Vedas their were brahmanas 
> But the word used for them was not jati, which is caste in classical
> Sanskrit. The Veda uses varna, which is the psychological flavour.
> There is no indication at all in the Vedas, that it was hereditary.
> My argument was that the scriptures contradict themselves. You said
> that the guru clarifies. I asked you, were does GD define Brahmana.
> Now you go back to scripture.
> You say: Guru Dev just spoke shastra
> I say: Shastra gives contradictory statements.
> You say: GD clarifies
> I ask: were he defines Brahmana
> You say:Try Shastras

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