My experience and perception in and of the movement (early to late 70's) mirrors New Morning's. However, I didn't rise to any position of power or influence within the movement beyond center chair in a couple of different cities, so some of the organizational shenanigans that Turq refers to weren't part of my experience. When Jerry was effectively retired from the movement a great anchor of integrity was lost.
** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Other teachers of TM want to weigh in? Were you taught to lie? > > I missed that seesion, I guess. :) > > I can address TTC's and general practice in centers in the early 70's. > A period when many of us, not all, were taught to teach TM. It was my > experience that were were not taught to lie. In fact, i think the > popularity of SIMS in that period was due to an abundance of bright > shiny faces speaking from the heart about how great this thing was. An > organizational ethos to lie would have quashed that spirit. > > Jerry did a lot of the lecturing details with us on my TTC. I always > had a lot of respect for Jerry and viewed him as a person of > integrity. If Turq and Curtis are making the case that Jerry was a con > man, I don't buy into their myth. > > Barry brings up some teacher issues and questions. First, these were > not mainstream questions in my experience, during 500+ initiations. > They were rare or non-rexistant. Regardless, no organizization or > business is required to disclose propriety information. They disclose > what is needed to address the customers' issues and concerns with > regards to the use of the product or service. Knowing how many mantras > there are, or how they are chosen, is not necessary, for any TM > student's paractice, nor does such knowledge, if known, improve the > practice. Its a non-issue about some proprietary teaching methods. > So I wa prepared when asked, to provide some general, correct answers. > It is not lying to not disclose every single inner working of an > organization or business. > > Every business or governmental entity puts their product, service, > issues, etc, in its best light. Some such "spinning" is reasonable, > other is abusive and deceitful. "In the world", there is a broad > spectrum to the ranging from fair to highly manipulative and deceitful > for PR, promotion and responses to inquiries. The general approach to > answering questions at SIMS lectures in the early 70's were far more > tame, far more towards or on the fair/good side of the spectrum than > the heavy spinning done by most businesses, advertisising, political > campagins government officials. If barry and curtis are "shocked" by > the spinning of the TMO in the early 70's -- the era I am addressing > -- then they must be totally floored, up in arms, and rioting in the > streets regarding the far more heavy handed spinning, lying and > distortions prevelant in almost every noon and cranny of modern life. > > Where I think distortions did exist in that era, not conscious deceit, > was in teachers claiming or implying that there more was in the TM > research than there was. I think was due to a lack of understanding of > the research and its limits. And youthful enthusiasm. > > When I started lecturing about the sidhis to many audiences, as part > of the first wave of teams of governors, a different dynamic was > happening. I cringe a bit at that era. Yet, I found a transcript > recently of one of my lectures. It was quite craftily spun for a > mid-20ish type. No lies. Just making the best case I could for the > "unimaginable". I was not taught to do that. It just came out, was > refined over time, lecture after lecture. > > Regarding Barry story of course credit, that is an organizational > area, not something many teachers were involved in. And thus not > relevant to a discussion claims that all TM teachers were taught to > lie. However, sounds like 1976-7 that Barry is referring to. That may > have been when organizationally things began to go down hill. And when > many teachers began to leave due to the lack of organizational > integrity. ATR credit being taken back, and all. > > But just up to that period, I saw a lot of integrity -- again I credit > Jerry. I was responsible for banking the course credit for 40+ people > on a project in 1972. Everyone was able to use thier credit to my > knowledge. And I cashed in mine for a course starting in spring 1976. > Up to that period, the organization did not lie as far as saw. > > MIU pulled some fast ones in 1973-5, IMO, but thats another story. > > > > > > Absolutely. About the contents of the puja, about > > whether or not people were asked to kneel during > > it, about the number of mantras and how they were > > selected, and about certain "hot button" subjects > > that were likely to come up in lectures or in > > interviews. For the latter, we were taught "pat > > answers" to use in each situation, answers that > > in many cases we knew not to be true. We were also > > taught things to say about other forms of meditation > > (that most of us had never practiced) that were 1) > > negative and 2) not true. > > > > But Sparaig won't believe this, and he similarly > > won't believe any other TM teacher who chimes in > > and answers his question with a hearty "Yes." > > He's interested in perpetuating his fantasies that > > what he was told was Truth, not in realizing that > > many of the things he was told were calculated > > lies. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! 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