--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just a few quick replies, even though we ALL know > she'll do nothing with them but nitpick and claim > "Why those aren't really lies...they're just an > alternative way of saying things." :-) :-) :-)
It's hugely ironic for Barry, who is a documented chronic, incorrigible liar, to take such a tough stance on people who say things not quite the way he would say them and declare them to be liars. > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Absolutely. About the contents of the puja, > > > > What was the lie you were taught to tell > > about the puja? > > Several: > > -- When asked, "Are the names of any Hindu gods mentioned > in the puja?" -- answer "No." This is obviously not true. > > -- When asked, "Are the words 'I bow down' included in > the puja, and does the teacher actually bow to any of > the names mentioned?" -- answer "No." This is equally > not true. > > -- When asked, "Is the TM puja a Hindu ritual?" -- answer > "No." In reality, it is a hodge-podge of different verses > from *many* different Hindu pujas and rituals. I never heard such questions asked and doubt they ever were. > > > about > > > whether or not people were asked to kneel during > > > it, > > > > What was the lie you were taught to tell about > > whether or not people were asked to kneel during > > the puja? > > -- When asked, "Is it mandatory for the student to > kneel during initiation?" -- answer "No." HOWEVER, > in the explicit instructions given to me and other > TM teachers I know when we were made teachers, we > were epxlicitly told to never teach the person > UNLESS they knelt. Never heard this asked either. However, when I learned, I did not kneel and was taught anyway, and I know many others for whom that was the case. > > > about the number of mantras and how they were > > > selected, > > > > What was the lie you were taught to tell about > > the number of mantras and how they were selected? > > -- When asked, "How many mantras are used in TM," > we were told never to answer this question, but to > hint that there were "very many...dozens or more." I never heard this question answered directly, either truthfully or with the "hint" Barry suggests. In any case, typically the question was "How many mantras are there?" not "How many mantras are used in TM?" > -- When asked, "How are they selected?" we were told > never to say exactly how, but to imply that they were > selected based on "a large number of different criteria" > known to us as TM teachers. In fact, there is only > one criterion. When I learned TM in 1976 and ever since, when that question was asked, what I heard was that the criteria were objective, period. There was never any suggestion as to the *number* of criteria. But we were told it was a very simple process. > I'll let other teachers add their own if they care to. So far, every one of the teachers who has responded, with the sole exception of Curtis, has flatly contradicted Barry's assertion. > > I will not respond in any way to any of Judy's expected > (and inevitable attempts) to turn this into another > of her infinite argument sessions. Even if she has no > life, I do, and it is calling this week. :-) > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
