--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "vajradhatu108" <vajranatha@> > wrote: > > That's not to say "effort is bad", is just part and parcel of > > dualistic paths. > > > > Reflexively authentic open awareness is not focused on any particular > > object and this is why no effort is needed. Any "consciousness" by > > necessity arises from causes, one of which is an object, even a > subtle > > object. Self-arisen wisdom does not need an object. In fact > > effortless, nonmeditation requires *no subject or object. > > You mention something called a dualistic path above, which > necessitates the existence of a non-dualistic path, which is of course > impossible, for who is on the path then?
Someone on a pathless path. Paradox is the logic behind such a pathless path. > > So, even an effortless nonmeditation, where the goal is self-arisen > wisdom, is a practice distinct from daily activity, and hence, a > dualistic path. Who said it was distinct from everyday activity? > > What you have described above is a non-dual nonmeditation possibly > *within a dualistic path*, requiring effort to distinquish between the > nonmeditation used to bring about self-arisen wisdom, and all other > activity. No. It's a "sudden" approach as opposed to a "gradual" approach (e.g. Patanajali-yoga, Buddhist Lam Rim, etc.). You'll find an emphasis and insistence on effortlessness as hallmarks of "sudden" schools like Zen/Chan, Dzogchen/Mahasandhi, some Trika schools and so on. > > Only when we speak about our establishment in a non-dual state, and > the path existing *within* the non-dual state, is any practice of > meditation, or nonmeditation, or watching TV, or eating a meal, > dancing or sleeping, experienced as a non-dual path, within the non- > dual state; A path of endless knowledge, existing within itself. Now you're getting closer. Ask yourself this question: if there is true effortlessness, could there be separation? Effortless in TM spin was merely a way of saying it was easy. Later it became an amalgamated as part of the dogma--and we all simply "believed". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/