--- In [email protected], "vajradhatu108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: > > > > > > sparaig wrote: > > > > > > >--- In [email protected], Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>sparaig wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >[...] > > > > > > > > > > > >>>Who "they?" Annoop Chandola was taught to meditate by Swami > > > >>>Shantananda > > Saraswati, > > > >>>and he's under the impression that he learned TM or something > > > >>>extremely > similar > > to it. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>TM is not that unique in its process. It is called "yogic meditation" > > > >>in other circles. The actual use of the bijas particularly without OM > > > >>is what is considered unorthodox. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>From what I've seen of how people describe other purportedly simple and > > > >>easy > > meditatio > > > >techniques, very few are actually simple and easy. > > > > > > > All that says is you haven't seen very much. Hence my term > > > "spirituality sheltered." > > > > > > > That might be. However, one prominent exponent of the technique of Buddhist > meditation > > that Vaj characterizes as "effortless" admonishes people to be vigilant in > > not letting > > oneself fall asleep or getting lst in thoughts, which to me, is a form of > > effort and > control... > > > Actually--as with TM where an effort must be taken to sit down to meditate > and close > eyes, maintain mindfullness to return to mantra, etc., etc.--the first stages > of Shamatha > (which is what I assume you are talking of) do also require effort/attention. > This is typical > of most intro meditation techniques and McMeditation techniques like TM are > no different. > *Any meditation technique that relies on a object of meditation, a mantra, > the breath, etc. > will by it's very nature have some subtle effort (as Mahesh acknowledged at > Estes Park in > regard to TM).*
If MMY acknowledged that then he is wrong. The higher stages of Shamatha practice are truly effortless in the yogic > sense of that word: one decides how long to rest in samadhi and then emerges > from > samadhi at the end of the session. > Ah yes, the Decider. Truely an effortless thing. GW Bush the Indescribable? > Unless you are actually familiar with the depth and breadth of meditation > praxis > experientially, this will not be obvious to you. > > So your above statement is incorrect--"spiritually sheltered" it would seem. > Thanks for your kind correction. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
