--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "vajradhatu108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "vajradhatu108" > > <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > <babajii_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > (snip) > > > > "I'm honestly curious. This effortlessness thang > > > > > > is obviously a *serious* hot button for both you > > > > > > and Judy. You both react as if you had been > > > > > > personally attacked every time it comes up"... > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'Effortless Thang' is a hot button indeed; > > > > Indeed, once again you have found, single handily: > > > > "The Hot Button"... > > > > And why is it such a hot button, I am wondering? > > > > Well perhaps, it's because the whole notion of effortlessness; > > > > Until Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, came onto the scene; > > > > Was not a widely understood concept or belief... > > > > And still causes much confusion, as explified in your piece... > > > > > > > > > Actually this is a very ancient idea. > > > > > > I just returned from retreat and one of the texts I took with me > > was _The Authenticity of > > > Spontaneous Presence_ which deals explicitly with Unity > > Consciousness and contains a > > > whole section on effortlessness. One of the criteria you can look > > for to see if the system of > > > practice you are using is effortless is to see if it is based on > > the Two Truths, a relative and > > > an absolute. > > > > > > If it is, it cannot be effortless. > > > > > > In regards to transcending, the Expansive Space Great Completion > > Tantra says the > > > following: > > > > > > "Although the external appears as "object" > > > Clear, non-conceptual, and so forth, > > > Although the mind does nothing at all > > > It's charmed, allured by the taste of the transcendent, so > > > Eliminate just that internal superimposition. > > > This is clear." > > > > > > Effortlessness cannot exist with a View that presupposes or works > > with "two" (truths) but > > > only where Spontaneous Presence exists as Inseparability. This is > > epistemologically > > > impossible where there is an overlay or superimposition as in the > > above quote. > > > > > With all due respect, you are confusing effortlessness stated as the > > goal of action with instructions given for meditation. > > Actually I am not. If it was non-dual, there would be no goal, there would be > no inward > stroke. That's like saying "I had a non-dual visit to the supermarket", all > the while ignoring > you had to drive from your home and then return to your home after "being > one" with the > market.
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