--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "vajradhatu108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "vajradhatu108" 
> > <vajranatha@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> > <babajii_99@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  (snip)
> > > > "I'm honestly curious. This effortlessness thang
> > > > > > is obviously a *serious* hot button for both you
> > > > > > and Judy. You both react as if you had been
> > > > > > personally attacked every time it comes up"...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The 'Effortless Thang' is a hot button indeed;
> > > > Indeed, once again you have found, single handily:
> > > > "The Hot Button"...
> > > > And why is it such a hot button, I am wondering?
> > > > Well perhaps, it's because the whole notion of effortlessness;
> > > > Until Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, came onto the scene;
> > > > Was not a widely understood concept or belief...
> > > > And still causes much confusion, as explified in your piece...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Actually this is a very ancient idea.
> > > 
> > > I just returned from retreat and one of the texts I took with me 
> > was _The Authenticity of 
> > > Spontaneous Presence_ which deals explicitly with Unity 
> > Consciousness and contains a 
> > > whole section on effortlessness. One of the criteria you can look 
> > for to see if the system of 
> > > practice you are using is effortless is to see if it is based on 
> > the Two Truths, a relative and 
> > > an absolute.
> > > 
> > > If it is, it cannot be effortless.
> > > 
> > > In regards to transcending, the Expansive Space Great Completion 
> > Tantra says the 
> > > following:
> > > 
> > > "Although the external appears as "object"
> > > Clear, non-conceptual, and so forth,
> > > Although the mind does nothing at all
> > > It's charmed, allured by the taste of the transcendent, so
> > > Eliminate just that internal superimposition.
> > > This is clear."
> > > 
> > > Effortlessness cannot exist with a View that presupposes or works 
> > with "two" (truths) but 
> > > only where Spontaneous Presence exists as Inseparability. This is 
> > epistemologically 
> > > impossible where there is an overlay or superimposition as in the 
> > above quote.
> > >
> > With all due respect, you are confusing effortlessness stated as the 
> > goal of action with instructions given for meditation. 
> 
> Actually I am not. If it was non-dual, there would be no goal, there would be 
> no inward 
> stroke. That's like saying "I had a non-dual visit to the supermarket", all 
> the while 
ignoring 
> you had to drive from your home and then return to your home after "being 
> one" with 
the 
> market.

There IS no goal during TM. Sorry you missed that.





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