--- jyouells2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected],
> "geezerfreak" 
> > <geezerfreak@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected],
> "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I think your friend's observation is
> interesting and quite 
> > accurate 
> > > > in many ways but I somewhat disagree with his
> assessment that 
> > the TM 
> > > > teachers don't care anymore.  
> > > > 
> > > > I think they DO care.  I think they care very
> much and have 
> > never 
> > > > stopped caring.
> > > > 
> > > > I care.  But like many I am disillusioned. 
> I'll give two 
> > reasons.  
> > > > The first is one that applies, I believe,
> almost universally, to 
> > > > those teachers that "care" but no longer will
> run off to, say, 
> > an 
> > > > Invincibility Course when MMY calls for it. 
> The second reason 
> > will 
> > > > be more personal and one that applies more
> specifically to me 
> > > > although there is, I believe, a significant
> demographic of this 
> > > > mindset as well:
> > > > 
> > > > 1) THE BOY WHO CRIED WOLF factor.  It's hard
> to get excited 
> > about 
> > > > becoming a recert or coming to the
> Invincibility Course when 
> > every 
> > > > few months for virtually the past 30 years MMY
> comes out with 
> > THE 
> > > > NEXT GREAT THING (as I think Barry once called
> it).  Yawn.  I 
> > mean, 
> > > > why should I disrupt my life once again -- as
> I've done several 
> > > > times in my life -- because of an urgent call
> from MMY when I 
> > know 
> > > > that once HE loses interest in it that his
> attention will get 
> > > > diverted in a few months to something else? 
> And we all know 
> > that 
> > > > this WILL happen.
> > > > 
> > > > 2) Betrayal.  I strongly feel that MMY has
> betrayed some very 
> > sacred 
> > > > tenets of the Movement.  I won't bore you all
> by going into them 
> > > > because I've done so countless times on this
> forum.  But I am 
> > not 
> > > > predisposed to go off to some course once
> again when he has said 
> > and 
> > > > done things that go against the very core of
> the principles upon 
> > > > which I joined the TMO in the first place.
> > > > 
> > > > I would LOVE to be on the Invincibility
> Course...it would be 
> > sheer 
> > > > bliss...but I just can't knowing that I would
> possibly get very 
> > > > upset once I got there and had to be exposed
> to TMO bullshit.  
> > I'd 
> > > > feel trapped.  So I know my limitations and
> stay away.
> > > >
> > > Very well put, Shemp, especially the bit about
> 30+ years of the 
> > next
> > > big, I mean it this time, this is the real deal
> COURSE. I still 
> > enjoy
> > > standard issue TM but my days of running off to
> the latest, 
> > greatest
> > > course are looooooong gone.
> > >
> > 
> > Gosh, I'd love to see a study of everyone who
> became a TM teacher 
> > and what category they fit into.  How many were
> made 
> > teachers...10,000?
> > 
> > Here are the categories I'd love to see for those
> 10,000
> > 
> > Doing TM regularly
> > Doing TM but not regularly
> > Diehard; will go on every course if resources
> allow
> > Doing TM regularly, but cynical about the TMO
> > etc.
> >
> 
> Should be closer to 15,000 or so. And I agree with
> you points above.
> I was 10,000 and something (I have the number
> written down somewhere
> ) and that was in 1976.
> 
> 
> JohnY

What an enjoyable thread. This is why I joined FFL to
have mature discussions about our involvement in the
TMO and MMY and all the ramificatons of that
involvement for so many years. By the way, I'm a doing
TM regularly but cynical about the TMO




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