--- In [email protected], bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> When I say Vedic science, I was not referring to the
> stories, but to the reality, the core teaching of the
> Vedas, that bliss consciousness is all that there is
> or ever was -- phenomenal reality is just maya, not
> really existing, "creation" (which never took place,
> just as there was never any water in the river of a
> mirage) is just the apparent play of that infinite
> awareness. "Be without the three gunas" through
> practice of Trancendental Meditation, and you get a 
> ringside seat as the eternal silent witness of all the
> phenomenal activity without suffering due to being
> attached to the ups and downs of creation.

Boy, I find this metaphysical view compelling.
I found it compelling the very first time I
heard it in the context of MMY's teaching, and
nothing I've heard since has even come close.

How anybody can think of it as a "religious
belief" is beyond me, unless you're using such
a broad definition of "religion" that the term
becomes virtually meaningless.

 Western
> scientists will never understand the deep mysteries of
> creation until they see awareness as the basis of 
> creation and unfold unlimited awareness on their own.
> All the theory-spinning going on now in physics is
> just stumbling in the dark, and top scientists know it,
> which is why fundamental physics is described as being
> in "crisis."
> http://www.nyas.org/publications/UpdateUnbound.asp?UpdateID=41

And this is a terrific article, I think, exceptionally
clearly written.  If the writer has the nature and
mechanics of awareness/consciousness in mind as the 
basis of the foundational work he says needs to be done,
it isn't evident, but it sure does fit the shape of the
hole in scientific thinking he describes.

He does mention Roger Penrose as one of the people
working in this area, though, which just may be a
hint.

I loved this passage he quotes from Nobel Prize-
winning physicist Steven Weinberg:

"Most advances in the history of science have been
marked by discoveries about nature, but at certain
turning points we have made discoveries about science
itself ... Now we may be at a new turning point, a
radical change in what we accept as a legitimate
foundation for a physical theory ... The larger the
number of possible values of physical parameters
provided by the string landscape, the more string
theory legitimates anthropic reasoning as a new basis
for physical theories: Any scientists who study nature
must live in a part of the landscape where physical
parameters take values suitable for the appearance
of life and its evolution into scientists."

Seems to me "anthropic reasoning" points directly
to the problem of awareness.







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