--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], Sal Sunshine <salsunshine@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 13, 2006, at 1:17 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >> Judy, has it ever occurred to you that adults don't tell other
> > > > >> adults
> > > > >> what they'd "like you to do"?  That it's usually up to the 
> > > > >> person to
> > > > >> decide for him/herself what is best?  I guess not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some people are only comfortable in a situation in
> > > > > which they are constantly told what to do and what
> > > > > not to do. After thirty years or so of this, they
> > > > > aspire not to enlightenment but to telling other
> > > > > people what to do and what not to do.  :-)
> > > > 
> > > > Exactly.  Condescension becomes a way of life, and if you can't 
> > > > beat em, join em, I guess.
> > > > 
> > > > It's very doubtful Judy would put up with the manipulation in 
> > > > the TMO were it to really occur with anyone else, with any 
> > > > frequency at all.  She'd simply find a new doctor, dentist or 
> > > > whatever.  But it's impossible to admit she's been taken in all 
> > > > these years.
> > > 
> > > Bingo.
> > > 
> > > I really do think that that's the issue. She (and
> > > many others) have a fairly fixed sense of self.
> > > When it's challenged, and someone sees them differ-
> > > ently, they feel the need to "defend" that imaginary
> > > fixed self. And one of the things that a fixed self
> > > *hates* to do is admit that it may have been stupid.  :-)
> > > 
> > > Those of us who are a little more fluid, and who are
> > > used to laughing at ourselves (our selves, however
> > > temporary and imaginary they may be) are often more
> > > able to kick back and say, "Yup...I sure got taken
> > > to the cleaners on that one."
> > 
> > You do realize, Barry, don't you, that none of what
> > you've been saying has anything at all to do with
> > the point I made, right?  
> 
> You do realize, Judy, that many of us have no
> desire to *ever* deal with your "points" or
> have any kind of real interaction with you.
> They are at best jumping off points for what
> *we* want to talk about. We have no interest
> whatsoever in talking about what *you* want
> to talk about. :-)
>

IOW, you merely use FFL to foster the illussion of being willing to discuss 
things in an 
adult manner...






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