--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Infographics are meant to invoke emotion Judy. Jim and I > > > > > expressed an emotional reaction to the graphic. We weren't > > > > > claiming that this is what it meant, or that this was the > > > > > intention. It was just a feeling. > > > > > > > > > > Your claiming that we have a problem because we felt this way > > > > > about the graphic reveals a lot about how you view the world. > > > > > Was your emotional reaction the "right" way to feel Judy? > > > > > Charming. > > > > > > > > I loved the graphic and felt an upliftment from natures > > > > regenerative capabilities. To me it doesn't imply humans > > > > must "exit" for nature to kick in its recovery of the earth, > > > > but rather, if we substantially reduced polluting, and our > > > > screwed up toxic ways -- en masse, not one at a time, nature > > > > can recover. What a great message. > > > > > > Exactly. > > > > > > > And the ironic thing, its all doable today with todays > technology. > > > > Much at negative cost -- that is, the trade-offo of increased > > > > energy/pollution fficient technology has a postive return over > its > > > > life. Save the earth, improve health, increase beauty, and make > > > > maoney at the same time. > > > > > > Which is just what Jim said after declaring the chart > > > was "not nice": Let's all be responsible energy > > > producers/consumers. > > > > > Only what I mean by substantially reduced polluting, and our > > screwed up toxic ways -- en masse, is quite different in details > > than wht i imagine jim envisions. > > I don't know what he envisions, actually. The > point was that he was complaining about a chart > on a site whose goals are the same as his. > > > I am not suggesting buy a 35 mpg car, use compact fluorescents and > > recycle. What I suggest is quite a bit more radical -- yet could > > raise living standards and cost little, or nothing. > > What individuals can do on their own is really > only a drop in the bucket, even if we were all > doing these things. They're little more than > symbolic. They're important in that symbolic > sense, though, if they keep our attention on the > problem. The danger is that we make our little > conservation efforts and figure that's all that > *needs* to be done. > > > It would require a $4/gal or so to gas, and similar btu tax on > > electricity and natural gas, etc. Tax revenue from such to provide > > incentives / loans for very high efficiency vehicles, home / > > building modifications/retrofits, PV and passive solar, no > > pollution (GHG) coal and NG generting plants, etc. It all can be > > done. Lower energy usage for same energy services will leave energy > > bills (total costs) within current ranges even s rates rise. Except > > for profligate users. Who can either pay or reform their use/ > > The taxes would be awfully hard on the working poor, > though. And they'd raise prices across the board. > We'd have to figure out some way to keep the taxes > from taking a big bite out of low incomes.
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