--- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], off_world_beings 
> <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> > <shempmcgurk@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], off_world_beings 
> > > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Lets see if DIXON and SHEMP can deal with one single issue 
and 
> > > stick 
> > > > to that issue. 
> > > > 
> > > > Mexican farmers and US farm subsidies.
> > > > 
> > > > US (and European) goverment subsidises its farmers such that 
> > > > bankruptcy is avoided by their farmers. Without these 
> subsidies 
> > > the 
> > > > US farmers would have a hard time to compete with other 
> > countries. 
> > > > The US makes a vast fortune in arms sales around the world 
and 
> > > other 
> > > > dubious business. These subsidies mean that a Mexican farmer 
> > > cannot 
> > > > compete so he cannot afford to hire farm hands, so the 
workers 
> > go 
> > > to 
> > > > the US (illegally) to work and gain from the US subsidies. 
The 
> > > > Mexican farmer cannot compete. The US farmer gets cheap, 
> illegal 
> > > > labor, and the right-wingers in this country try to build a 
> joke 
> > > > fence to stop them coming in. The US continues to make money 
> > from 
> > > > oil companies, selling arms, and racking up a massive debt 
> which 
> > > > stands today at:
> > > > 
> > > > $8,553,293,703,6000.05
> > > > 
> > > > http://brillig.com/debt_clock/
> > > > 
> > > > Thus, through these dubious methods of funding its farmers, 
> the 
> > US 
> > > > contributes directly to keeping the poor, poor, and the 
> Mexican 
> > > > economy subserviant to US control at a low economic level.
> > > > 
> > > > One instance where the US makes others stay poor (very bad 
> karma 
> > > for 
> > > > US), and I am looking forward to watch MDIXON and Shemp's 
> usual 
> > > > avoidance of the issues, changing the subject, slinging 
names 
> > > > around, and cutting and running. It is like watching Laurel 
> and 
> > > > Hardy build a house.
> > > > 
> > > > OffWorld
> > > >
> > > 
> > > How can I avoid it.
> > > 
> > > I've already discussed this issue with you at least once 
> (Indeed, 
> > I 
> > > think I may have been the one to bring it up!) and I totally 
> agree 
> > > with you.
> > > 
> > > Everyone on this forum knows that I am an advocate of both 
free 
> > > markets and globalization...AND minimum government 
interference 
> in 
> > > markets.
> > > 
> > > Government subsidies to US farmers are horrible interferences 
in 
> > the 
> > > marketplace and do all the things that you cite above and 
should 
> > be 
> > > stopped.
> > > 
> > > Indeed, before I ever met you on this forum, I was against 
> them.  
> > > Here I am talking about them on a.m.t. as far back as '03 as 
> well 
> > as 
> > > posting articles opposing them (do a word search 
on "subsidies" 
> > > or "subsidy" once you get to these links):
> > > 
> > 
> > ROTFL ! ! !
> > 
> > So what you are saying is that you lost your previous argument 
> about 
> > poverty being solely the fault of the poor themselves not 
pulling 
> > themselves out by their own, and that it is their own fault. Now 
> you 
> > say that there are, quote "horrible interferences"  that keep 
them 
> > down. You just admitted that you lost the argument. LOL! 
> 
> 
> 
> Uh, we were talking about farmers in third world countries and the 
> subsidies to farmers in the US.
> 
> The discussion about poverty was about people in the US.>>

It was?


> Indeed, I have ALWAYS maintained that the way to bring people out 
of 
> poverty in the third world is to encourage the free market.  The 
> negative influence of US farm subsidies to US farmers is an 
example 
> of ANTI-free market forces.
> 
> 
> > 
> > People, please comment as to wether the above statement by Shemp 
> > completely annihilates his previous argument about poverty, and 
> > leaves MDIXON as the soul heartless proponent of that view.
> > 
> > Shemp. I am totally convinced that you are actually a comedian 
and 
> > have been taking the piss out of us for months with your spoof. 
It 
> > is the second time in a month I have thought that about you. 
> > HILARIOUS SHEMP !....you had me going. You are VERY funny.
> > 
> > Poor MDIXON he is all alone in his argument now. Just when he 
> > thought he had a buddy. Oh well MDIXON, never mind, you will get 
> > better....over time.
> > 
> > OffWorld
> >
>





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