It's not a clash of civilisations. It's a Clash of Snake-oils.
'My Snake-oil is better than your snake-oil.'
Seriously speaking there are three clashs. Between First-wave, second-wave and Third-wave. Not difficult to guess who is going to prevail.
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:42:19 -0000
Subject: [FairfieldLife] No Clash / Wafa
Subject: [FairfieldLife] No Clash / Wafa
[ i respect Wafa and think she is the best thing that happen to Islam
in the recent decade. She is a true free thinker. JMHO ]
2/21/2006 Clip No. 1050
Arab-American Psychiatrist Wafa Sultan: There is No Clash of
Civilizations but a Clash between the Mentality of the Middle Ages
and That of the 21st Century
Following are excerpts from an interview with Arab-American
psychiatrist Wafa Sultan. The interview was aired on Al-Jazeera TV
on February 21, 2006
.
Wafa Sultan: The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a
clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. It is a clash
between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a
mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that
belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and
backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between
barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and
oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash
between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these
rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women
like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see
today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash,
but compete.
[...]
Host: I understand from your words that what is happening today is a
clash between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and
ignorance of the Muslims?
Wafa Sultan: Yes, that is what I mean.
[...]
Host: Who came up with the concept of a clash of civilizations? Was
it not Samuel Huntington? It was not Bin Laden. I would like to
discuss this issue, if you don't mind...
Wafa Sultan: The Muslims are the ones who began using this
_expression. The Muslims are the ones who began the clash of
civilizations. The Prophet of Islam said: "I was ordered to fight
the people until they believe in Allah and His Messenger." When the
Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called
to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves
believe, they started this clash, and began this war. In order to
stop this war, they must reexamine their Islamic books and
curricula, which are full of calls for takfir and fighting the
infidels.
My colleague has said that he never offends other people's beliefs.
What civilization on the face of this earth allows him to call other
people by names that they did not choose for themselves? Once, he
calls them Ahl Al-Dhimma, another time he calls them the "People of
the Book," and yet another time he compares them to apes and pigs,
or he calls the Christians "those who incur Allah's wrath." Who told
you that they are "People of the Book"? They are not the People of
the Book, they are people of many books. All the useful scientific
books that you have today are theirs, the fruit of their free and
creative thinking. What gives you the right to call them "those who
incur Allah's wrath," or "those who have gone astray," and then come
here and say that your religion commands you to refrain from
offending the beliefs of others?
I am not a Christian, a Muslim, or a Jew. I am a secular human
being. I do not believe in the supernatural, but I respect others'
right to believe in it.
Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: Are you a heretic?
Wafa Sultan: You can say whatever you like. I am a secular human
being who does not believe in the supernatural. ..
Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: If you are a heretic, there is no point in
rebuking you, since you have blasphemed against Islam, the Prophet,
and the Koran...
Wafa Sultan: These are personal matters that do not concern you.
[...]
Wafa Sultan: Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you
don't throw them at me. You are free to worship whoever you want,
but other people's beliefs are not your concern, whether they
believe that the Messiah is God, son of Mary, or that Satan is God,
son of Mary. Let people have their beliefs.
[...]
Wafa Sultan: The Jews have come from the tragedy (of the Holocaust),
and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledge, not with
their terror, with their work, not their crying and yelling.
Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and
20th centuries to Jewish scientists. 15 million people, scattered
throughout the world, united and won their rights through work and
knowledge. We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German
restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church. We have
not seen a single Jew protest by killing people. The Muslims have
turned three Buddha statues into rubble. We have not seen a single
Buddhist burn down a Mosque, kill a Muslim, or burn down an embassy.
Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches,
killing people, and destroying embassies. This path will not yield
any results. The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for
humankind, before they demand that humankind respect them.
------------ -----
The Prophet of Islam said:
"I was ordered to fight the people until they believe in Allah and
His Messenger."
---
You can't force spirituality on anyone, not even God can do that..
in the recent decade. She is a true free thinker. JMHO ]
2/21/2006 Clip No. 1050
Arab-American Psychiatrist Wafa Sultan: There is No Clash of
Civilizations but a Clash between the Mentality of the Middle Ages
and That of the 21st Century
Following are excerpts from an interview with Arab-American
psychiatrist Wafa Sultan. The interview was aired on Al-Jazeera TV
on February 21, 2006
.
Wafa Sultan: The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a
clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. It is a clash
between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a
mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that
belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and
backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between
barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and
oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash
between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these
rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women
like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see
today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash,
but compete.
[...]
Host: I understand from your words that what is happening today is a
clash between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and
ignorance of the Muslims?
Wafa Sultan: Yes, that is what I mean.
[...]
Host: Who came up with the concept of a clash of civilizations? Was
it not Samuel Huntington? It was not Bin Laden. I would like to
discuss this issue, if you don't mind...
Wafa Sultan: The Muslims are the ones who began using this
_expression. The Muslims are the ones who began the clash of
civilizations. The Prophet of Islam said: "I was ordered to fight
the people until they believe in Allah and His Messenger." When the
Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called
to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves
believe, they started this clash, and began this war. In order to
stop this war, they must reexamine their Islamic books and
curricula, which are full of calls for takfir and fighting the
infidels.
My colleague has said that he never offends other people's beliefs.
What civilization on the face of this earth allows him to call other
people by names that they did not choose for themselves? Once, he
calls them Ahl Al-Dhimma, another time he calls them the "People of
the Book," and yet another time he compares them to apes and pigs,
or he calls the Christians "those who incur Allah's wrath." Who told
you that they are "People of the Book"? They are not the People of
the Book, they are people of many books. All the useful scientific
books that you have today are theirs, the fruit of their free and
creative thinking. What gives you the right to call them "those who
incur Allah's wrath," or "those who have gone astray," and then come
here and say that your religion commands you to refrain from
offending the beliefs of others?
I am not a Christian, a Muslim, or a Jew. I am a secular human
being. I do not believe in the supernatural, but I respect others'
right to believe in it.
Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: Are you a heretic?
Wafa Sultan: You can say whatever you like. I am a secular human
being who does not believe in the supernatural. ..
Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: If you are a heretic, there is no point in
rebuking you, since you have blasphemed against Islam, the Prophet,
and the Koran...
Wafa Sultan: These are personal matters that do not concern you.
[...]
Wafa Sultan: Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you
don't throw them at me. You are free to worship whoever you want,
but other people's beliefs are not your concern, whether they
believe that the Messiah is God, son of Mary, or that Satan is God,
son of Mary. Let people have their beliefs.
[...]
Wafa Sultan: The Jews have come from the tragedy (of the Holocaust),
and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledge, not with
their terror, with their work, not their crying and yelling.
Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and
20th centuries to Jewish scientists. 15 million people, scattered
throughout the world, united and won their rights through work and
knowledge. We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German
restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church. We have
not seen a single Jew protest by killing people. The Muslims have
turned three Buddha statues into rubble. We have not seen a single
Buddhist burn down a Mosque, kill a Muslim, or burn down an embassy.
Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches,
killing people, and destroying embassies. This path will not yield
any results. The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for
humankind, before they demand that humankind respect them.
------------ -----
The Prophet of Islam said:
"I was ordered to fight the people until they believe in Allah and
His Messenger."
---
You can't force spirituality on anyone, not even God can do that..
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