> sparaig wrote:
> > coldbluiceman wrote:
> > > spare egg <Lawson English> wrote:
> > > > coldbluiceman wrote:
> > > > > spare egg <Lawson English> wrote:
> > > > > > cold blu ice man wrote:
> > > > > > > sparaig wrote:
> > > > > > > > Alex Stanley wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > spare egg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > cold blu ice man wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > As no "pundit" worth his salt would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > make a claim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (or allow another to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > make a claim) that would insinuate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a group of pundits
> > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting "Vedic verses" could
> > > > > > > > > > > > > change the course of human events.
> > > > > > > > > Lawson English wrote:
> > > > > > > > > What is a mahayagya,O Sagacious One?
> > > > > > > > > > John A. Stanley wrote:
> > > > > > > > This: http://alex.natel.net/misc/ww2_yagya.jpg??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Namaste Sir Alex John Stanely Ji..,
> > > > > > i must politley inform you that the photo you
> > > > > > are looking at is the--
> > > > > > Khumba Mela taken in 1944 on the banks of the
> > > > > > Jamuna/Yamuna river.
> > > > > > The oldest Mela, the Khumba Mela, is held once
> > > > > > every 12 years at the
> > > > > > junction of the three sacred rivers
> > > > > > (Ganges, Yamuna, and Saraswati)
> > > > > > and attended by more than 40 million people.
> > > > > > Now the dates of the
> > > > > > Khumba Mela are set to the specific location
> > > > > > using astrological
> > > > > > calculations based upon the placement of
> > > > > > planet Jupiter, also there
> > > > > > are ardha-Khumbas held every 6 years
> > > > > > on the Jamuna River.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ..."The Kumbha Mela takes place every four years
> > > > > > in rotation at
> > > > > > Haridwar, Prayag (Allahabad), Nasik and Ujjain,
> > > > > > according to the
> > > > > > placement of Jupiter in the Zodiac.
> > > > > > A modern innovation, there are
> > > > > > also popular half-melas, ardha-kumbhas,
> > > > > > every six years at Haridwar
> > > > > > and Prayag. It is at Prayag, where the
> > > > > > Yamuna River joins the Ganga,
> > > > > > that the largest number of human beings in
> > > > > > history gathered--15
> > > > > > million on February 6, 1989. Haridwar,
> > > > > > logistically less convenient,
> > > > > > managed ten million on April 14, 1998.
> > > > > > Still, that's five times this
> > > > > > year's two million Muslim pilgrims who journeyed
> > > > > > to Mecca for the
> > > > > > Haj, the second largest gathering..."
> > > > http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1998/9/1998-9-11.shtml
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now AJ Ji..,what were you lead to
> > > > > > believe that photo is??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > According to Steve Perino,
> > > > > > > no pundit worth his salt would make the
> > > > > > > claim that would
> > > > > > > insinutate a group of pundits chanting
> > > > > > > Vedic verses could change the course of human
> > > > > > > events....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i won't address poor Sir Lawson Ji until
> > > > > > his doctors have screened
> > > > > > him for paranoia & delusional behavior.
> > > > > > But having said that- if indeed that
> > > > > > was a "world peace" gathering
> > > > > > in Prayag in 1944(which i am not sayning it was)..
> > > > > > It sadly did not have the
> > > > > > desired effect as how many estimated
> > > > > > millions died during Summer 1944
> > > > > > and Summer 1945 in WWII??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How many a-bombs did we drop on
> > > > > > Japan in the Summer of 1945?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I never commented on the efficacy of such programs,
> > > > > merely on your claim that they are
> > > > > not traditional.
> > > >
> > > > Namaste Sir Lawson Ji..,
> > > > i must politely inquire-, are you off your meds again?..
> > > > and when did i *EVER* say yagya was-, "not traditional"??
> > > >
> > > > Stop making this stuff up!!..
> > > > i am going stop posting to you if you don't
> > > > get professional help.
> > > >
> > > > > I ask again: what is a mahayagya and... what is it FOR?
> > > >
> > > > Pancha Mahayagya has a fivefold(hence Pancha)
> > > > with desired personal
> > > > results for all aspects of family life
> > > > with regards to *PERSONAL*
> > > > spiritual upliftment:
> > > > 1. DEVOTION TOWARDS PARENTS
> > > > 2. DEVOTION AND FAITHFULNESS TOWARDS THE HUSBAND
> > > > 3. EQUALITY
> > > > 4. RIGHT CONDUCT AND CHARACTER
> > > > 5. ADORATION OF LORD VISHNU AND SINGING HYMNS IN HIS PRAISES
> > > > http://urday.com/panch-2.html
> > > > > Hint to lurkers: google "mahayagya"
> > > > Sorry LawsonJi nothing with regards to "world peace"..,
> > > > now please
> > > > get screened by your professional
> > > > mental health care provider..for
> > > > your family's sake.
> > > Heh. So mahayagya is only for the individual?
> > > The term "pancha
> > > mahayajnas" (mahayagyas) refers specifically
> > > to individual daily rituals.
> > Namaste Sir Lawson Ji..,
> > i must politley remind you the term- "pancha"
> > refers to count of 5
> > items or things.
> > For example the PanchaTanMantras-(subtle elements of matter)
> > Sabda, Sparsa, Rupa, Rasa and Gandha.
> Yes, and the term "pancha mahayajnas" or
> "pancha mahayagyas" refers specifically to
> rituals performed by individuals.
> > i thought you said Annop Chandola schooled you in Sanskrit?
> Who told you that?
> > > However, mahayajna also refers to the great
> > > rituals done by massive groups for many
> > > different purposes. Had you done a google search
> > > on mahayagya rather than "pancha
> > > mahayagya" you would have noted this
> > > immediately since there is only one hit for "pancha
> > > mahayagya" with quotes: the one you gave us.
> > > Talk about a transparent attempt to skew
> > > the information to support your argument!
> > i did not skew anything Sir Lawsonji.
> Of course you did.
> Had you done a google search on "mahayagya"
> rather than "pancha mahayagya"
Namaste Sir LawsonJi..,ok i will try Pancha Mahayagya..AGAIN!
Pancha Mahayajnas
Hindu tradition has the Pancha Mahayajnas ("Five Great Yajnas",
Taittiriya Aranyaka 2.10) namely:
Devayajna- consists of offering ahutis to devas
Pitruyajna- consists of offering beverages to ancestors or pitrus
Bhutayajna- consists of offering bali or foodstuffs to all creatures
Manushyayajna- consists of feeding guests
Brahmayajna- consists of chanting Vedas, namely Rigveda, Yajurveda,
Samaveda and Atharvaveda
Well look there.., i found *EXACTLY* the same "great info" you had
found previously in your past posts!!
> you would have found numorous
> mentions to peace, world peace, and so on,
> and not just by TM-related websites.
So what?...simply because another group of "pundits" claims they can
also create world paeace does not indicate this particular "generic"
group is anymore credible than the- "tmo pundit project"!
However that is *completely irrelevant* when discussing the "tmo
pundits" coming to America to alledgely influence the course of
human events here in America as outlined by Dr. John Hagelin, PhD...,
i must politley remind you that we are posting to-
*FAIRFIELDLIFE in a thread entitled-, "Vedic Pandits-etiquette"!*
> AJ Stanley wrote:
> Vedic Pandits - etiquette
> Dear campus and community members,
> We are all so honored and fulfilled to be
> hosting Maharishi's Vedic
> Pandits from India on our campus.
> Jai Guru Dev
> Craig Pearson
> "pancha mahayagya" refers specifically to rituals
> performed by individuals.
> Generically, mahayagya or mahayajna refers to "great yagyas"
> performed by large groups, often for the
> purpose of influencing the environment in
> specific ways, like stopping a war.
Sir LawsonJi.., if only you had a clue as to what you
are talking about!
In the Mahabharat the war that was started after both sides-good &
evil finished their "mahayagyas"!
The yagyas were done by both sides to insure victory..look it up!
However that is *completely irrelevant* when discussing the "tmo
pundits" coming to America to alledgely influence the course of
human events here in America as outlined by Dr. John Hagelin, PhD...,
i must politley remind you that we are posting to-
*FAIRFIELDLIFE in a thread entitled-, "Vedic Pandits-etiquette"!*
> > That being said..,lets go through
> > your list to determine:
> > 1). if any of this great info you posted has
> > anything at all to do
> > with the "tmo pundits"..and more importantly John Hagelin's
> > *Anticipated Results* of the "tmo pundit project"
> > in America..and
> The only question is whether or not you're willing
> to admit that you make mistakes.
Sir Lawsonji..i must politley point out to you that after taking
your advise, and doing another websearch on "Pancha Mahayagya" i
came up with *EXACTLY* the same "great info" you did!
Where did err?
However that is *completely irrelevant* when discussing the "tmo
pundits" coming to America to alledgely influence the course of
human events here in America as outlined by Dr. John Hagelin,PhD...,
i must politley remind you that we are posting to-
*FAIRFIELDLIFE in a thread entitled-, "Vedic Pandits-etiquette"!*
Furthermore, i just dont see how your tangents in this thread
reagrding "Hindu pandits" is any related to "tmo pandits" as we were
led to believe that the "tmo /tm/pandits, etc" are *NON-religious*
in nature!!.
> In
> fact, it is obvious that you made a beg one
> and simply are unable to admit to it.
> Mahayagyas or mahayajnas generically refer to
> rituals performed by large groups, often
> for purposes like peace, better crops and so on.
Sir Lawsonji..i must politley point out to you that after taking
your advise, and doing another websearch on "Pancha Mahayagya" i
came up with *EXACTLY* the same "great info" you did!
Where did err?..
Pancha Mahayajnas
Hindu tradition has the Pancha Mahayajnas ("Five Great Yajnas",
Taittiriya Aranyaka 2.10) namely:
Devayajna- consists of offering ahutis to devas
Pitruyajna- consists of offering beverages to ancestors or pitrus
Bhutayajna- consists of offering bali or foodstuffs to all creatures
Manushyayajna- consists of feeding guests
Brahmayajna- consists of chanting Vedas, namely Rigveda, Yajurveda,
Samaveda and Atharvaveda
However that is *completely irrelevant* when discussing the "tmo
pundits" coming to America to alledgely influence the course of
human events here in America as outlined by Dr. John Hagelin,PhD...,
i must politley remind you that we are posting to-
*FAIRFIELDLIFE in a thread entitled-, "Vedic Pandits-etiquette"!*
Furthermore, i just dont see how your tangents in this thread
reagrding "Hindu pandits" is any related to "tmo pandits" as we were
led to believe that the "tmo /tm/pandits, etc" are *NON-religious*
in nature!!.
> > 2). if any of this info has to do with my assertion that--
> > *the "tmo pundit project" could not influence
> > the american society
> > and its course of human events*, and if anyone(read Mishmashi
> > brahmachari Prasad Varma Mahesh) could make a claim as such.
> Nope You said that no pundit would ever make a claim.
> You didn't say anything originally
> about them only being Maharishi Vedic Pundits,
Sir Lawsonji.., i must politley remind you that we are posting to-
*FAIRFIELDLIFE in a thread entitled-, "Vedic Pandits-etiquette"!*
The thread started with this..
> AJ Stanley wrote:
> Vedic Pandits - etiquette
> Dear campus and community members,
> We are all so honored and fulfilled to be
> hosting Maharishi's Vedic
> Pandits from India on our campus.
> We'd like everyone to be aware of a
> few points regarding interactions
> with the Vedic Pandits:
> Jai Guru Dev
> Craig Pearson
> because obviously, such pundits, valid in
> your eyes or not, DO make such claims.
> You were trying to claim that no traditional pundit
> would make such a claim.
> > That is what we are discussing here-
> > "tmo pundits" coming to America
> > to influnce its course of human events
> > as outlined by bramachari
> > Mahesh and Dr. Hagelin, PhD.
> We were discussing whether any pundit,
> not just the TMO ones, would make such claims.
Sir Lawsonji.., i must politley remind you that we are posting to-
*FAIRFIELDLIFE in a thread entitled-, "Vedic Pandits-etiquette"!*
The thread started with this..
> AJ Stanley wrote:
> Vedic Pandits - etiquette
> Dear campus and community members,
> We are all so honored and fulfilled to be
> hosting Maharishi's Vedic
> Pandits from India on our campus.
> We'd like everyone to be aware of a
> few points regarding interactions
> with the Vedic Pandits:
> Jai Guru Dev
> Craig Pearson
i really thought you could keep up.
It was *You* at your personal direction who had me and the "lurkers"
google'ing "mahayagya"..Please stop dragging us off on one of your
Prozac-inspired tangents!..we are posting to-
*FAIRFIELDLIFE in a thread entitled-, "Vedic Pandits-etiquette"!*
> Of course, as everyone knows, they do all the time,
> as any gool search of mahayagya or
> mahayajna shows.
It was *You* at your personal direction who had me and the "lurkers"
google'ing "mahayagya"..Please stop dragging us off on one of your
Prozac-insipred tangents!
i must politley remind you that we are posting to-
*FAIRFIELDLIFE in a thread entitled-, "Vedic Pandits-etiquette"!*
The thread started with this..
> AJ Stanley wrote:
> Vedic Pandits - etiquette
> Dear campus and community members,
> We are all so honored and fulfilled to be
> hosting Maharishi's Vedic
> Pandits from India on our campus.
> We'd like everyone to be aware of a
> few points regarding interactions
> with the Vedic Pandits:
> Jai Guru Dev
> Craig Pearson
> > > http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Yajna/id/62894
> > > yajna: (Sanskrit) "Worship; sacrifice."
> > > One of the most central Hindu concepts -
> > > sacrifice and surrender through acts of worship,
> > > inner and outer.
> > > 1) A form of ritual worship especially
> > > prevalent in Vedic times,
> > > in which oblations - ghee,
> > > grains, spices and exotic woods - are offered
> > > into a fire according to scriptural injunctions
> > > while special mantras are chanted.
> >
> > Sir LawsonJi.., just what has this to
> > do with the Judeo-Christain
> > american society that we live in?
> What does the culture we live in have to do
> with your original claim?
*EVERYTHING*!!..as it is generally understood from the original
*ARANYAKAS* (the section of the Vedas that address "mahayagyas"
& "yagyas") specifically in the detailed subsection entitled-
"Brahmanas" that Yagyas are performed in the
*predomiantly "Hindu"/Vedic Sanatana Dharma society* by "Vedic
pundits" for a desired specific result for that
*predomiantly "Hindu"/Vedic Sanatana Dharma society*..,
and nearly all members of the *predomiantly "Hindu"/Vedic Sanatana
Dharma society* participate in the Mahayagya for its derived benefit.
> You said that no
> pundit would make such claims.
And, no *Legitimate Vedic Pundit* would travel to America for the
expressed purpose of influencing the course of human events here in
the predomaintly Judeo-Christain Amewrican society!!
Now that does not preclude Vedic Pundits from traveling to America
and performing the Moorti Pratishta at various "Hindu Temples" for
the spiritual benefit of the temple, and its satsangis...,i just
dont see how your tangents in this thread regarding "Hindu pandits"
is any related to "tmo pandits"..,as we were led to believe that
the "tmo /tm/pandits, etc" are *NON-religious* in nature!!.
> > > - The element fire, Agni, is revered as the divine
> > > messenger who carries offerings and
> > > prayers to the Gods.
> > >
> > > - The ancient Veda Brahmanas and the Shrauta
> > > Shastras describe various types of yajna
> > > rites, some so elaborate as to require hundreds of priests,
> > > whose powerful chanting
> > > resounds for miles. These major yajnas are
> > > performed in large, open-air structures called
> > > yagashala.
> > >
> > > - Domestic yajnas, prescribed in the Grihya Shastras,
> > > are performed in the family
> > > compound or courtyard. Yajna requires four components,
> > > none of which may be omitted:
> > > dravya, sacrificial substances; tyaga, the spirit
> > > of sacrificing all to God; devata, the celestial
> > > beings who receive the sacrifice; and mantra,
> > > the empowering word or chant.
> > >
> > > - While puja (worship in temples with water,
> > > lights and flowers) has largely replaced the
> > > yajna, this ancient rite still continues,
> > > and its specialized priestly training is
> > > carried on in
> > > schools in India.
> >
> > Sir LawsonJi.., just what has this to do
> > with the Judeo-Christain
> > american society that we live in?
> > This is India(Bharatvarsh) not America.
> > Big difference as we americans do not follow
> > the Varna (caste system
> > of India)..
> And what has that to do with whther or not
> such claims are made, whether by hindus
> living in the USA or India, or
> by Maharishi-followers at Fairfield?
*EVERYTHING*!!..as it is generally understood from the original
*ARANYAKAS* (the section of the Vedas that address "mahayagyas"
& "yagyas") specifically in the detailed subsection entitled-
"Brahmanas" that Yagyas are performed in the
*predomiantly "Hindu"/Vedic Sanatana Dharma society* by "Vedic
pundits" for a desired specific result for that
*predomiantly "Hindu"/Vedic Sanatana Dharma society*..,
and nearly all members of the *predomiantly "Hindu"/Vedic Sanatana
Dharma society* participate in the Mahayagya for its derived benefit.
> > > - Yajnas of a grand scale are performed for
> > > special occasions, beseeching the Gods for
> > > rain during drought, or for peace during bloody civil war.
> >
> > Correct me if i am wrong Sir LawsonJi..,are we in a civil war?
> You are the most literal-minded person
> I have met in many years.
And, lets try and keep it that way, and not have me and
the "lurkers" at your personal direction dragged away
google'ing "mahayagya"..Please stop dragging us off on one of your
Prozac-inspired tangents!
> [...]
> > Sir Lawsonji.. i am sorry i just donot see
> > any correlation to your
> > claims regarding "mahayagya" performed in Bharatvarsh(India) and
> > the "tmo pundit project" here in America.
> > As, there is no mention
> > (in your info) of a "mahayagya" that could come from a
> > predomiantly "Hindu"/Vedic Sanatana Dharma society,
> > and be performed
> > by "tmo pundits".., to exert specific influences
> > (as outlined by Dr. John Hagelin, PhD) on a
> > predomiantly multi-racial
> > Judeo-Christian American society!
> > Do you??
> If the TMO pundits are trained in the traditional way,
Sir LawsonJi..most respecfully i will not get dragged away on
another one of your Prozac-inspired tangents..,i thought i already
expressed by position on this matter!
However, for your personal benefit i will express my postion again--
the "tmo pundits" were corrupted the moment they hooked up with
Mishmashi brahmachari Prasad Varma Mahesh.
> why would their affiliation with the
> TMO bother you? Are you saying that no pundit
> could ever be associated with the TMO?
OK lets examine the *FACTS* for a moment:
1. from the very beginning Brahmachari Mahesh insisted he-,
"was engaged in training young brahmin boys to become pundits in
the tradition of Sri Vhibuushiit Jyosimutt Shankaracharya Swami
Brahmanand Saraswati.
2. and had been doing so at the "pundit compund" near Jalapur,
Madhya Pradesh (which Bob Brigante provided us with a photo of).
AGREED!!!
Now lets look at the recent photo of the "tmo pundits" arrival in
America..
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/browse/2581?c=
Well Sir LawsonJi...i just politely point out that--
1. ***none of the "tmo pundits" are wearing the traditional orche
(orange) kurti/dhotis of the *BRAHMIN SHANKARYACHARYA TRADITION*!!..
Not one single "tmo pandit" has taken sanyas diksha in the
Shankaracharya Tradition!!***
Look at the old photos of-- Sri Vhibuushiit Jyosimutt Shankaracharya
Swami Brahmanand Saraswati..., He is waering the orange dhoti
indicating He has taken sanyas diksha in the Shankaracharya
Tradition!!
Now to the "indian tmo pundit compound" and the "pundits"..
2. if you choose to look at the recent violent events in India with
regards to the Tamil Tigers in the South India, and the Islamic
terrorists in North India & and Kashmir.., i would guess the "tmo
pandits" as trained by Brahmachari Mahesh are not doing a very good
job in preventing wars...in there own country.
So, in a cursory view i would say the *Anticipated Results* of Dr.
John Hagelin are not going to happen as a direct result of the "tmo
pundit project"...
And, as a side note--i just dont see how your tangents in this
thread regarding "Hindu pandits" is any related to "tmo pandits" as
we were led to believe that the "tmo /tm/pandits, etc" are *NON-
religious* in nature!!.
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