On Nov 8, 2006, at 7:01 AM, authfriend wrote:

>> I'm pointing this out because so *many* liberals and
>> Democrats were *so* vocal after the sham of the 2004
>> elections, talk talk talking about how they were going
>> to get to the bottom of the rigged elections in Ohio
>> and elsewhere, and how they were going to get rid of
>> these voting machines that seem to have been designed
>> to allow Americans to "exorcise their right to vote."
>>
>> Nothing happened.
>
> Wrong again.  A great deal happened, including
> the conviction of four Republican officials for
> the New Hampshire phone scam.

And apart from those officials going down, what seems to have changed?  
They were  at it again this time with the robo calling nonsense.  All 
the Repugs seemed to have learned is that they can still get away with 
murder if they change tactics.
>
> And this election just past, of course, which
> returned control of the House and likely the
> Senate to Democratic hands, so the Democrats
> now have the *power* to pursue Republican
> election malfeasance and do whatever needs
> to be done about the voting machines.

I guess one could see this victory as having happened due to the Dems 
having done so much to rectify the past disasters, but I just don't see 
any evidence of that.  We're still using Diebod machines and there was 
still widespread reporting of voter intimidation.
>
>> Same shit this time.
>>
>> Now there's a lot more talk about all the voting
>> irregularities and the unconscionable "dirty tricks"
>> used again in this election.
>
> And interestingly enough, so far there doesn't appear
> to have been any significant messing with voting
> machines, which may be because of the widespread
> outrage over what happened with the voting machines
> in 2000 and 2004, not to mention the extensive
> investigations into it, which are ongoing.  Rove
> and Co. may have realized they didn't dare try
> messing with the machines again, so they resorted
> to massive attempts at voter suppression instead.

Right, which don't appear to have worked--not this time, at least.
>
>> There will be more such
>> talk. Tough talk. Outraged talk. "We're never going
>> to allow this to happen again" talk.
>
> What you don't quite seem to get is the rather
> obvious fact that "talk" is where doing something
> *begins*.  It's the necessary first step.  It was
> "talk" about Republican corruption across the board
> that has resulted in their removal from power in
> the Congress, you see.

OF course it's where action begins, but if it ends there, then nothing 
of significance happens.  The true test, IMO,  will be if the Dems open 
some kind of national public debate on the whole issue, which, so far 
at least, they have been almost as reluctant to do as the Repugs.  
Hence the perception that they have done as little as possible.  In 
some way (and I have no idea what that could be) they are benefiting 
from the corruption as well.

Sal



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