--- In [email protected], "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "Rick" <risrosen@> wrote: > > > > > > On the new Peace Government website, permanentpeace.org, I read the > > > following: > > > > > > "For three years, from 1988 to 1990, at a location just outside New > > > Delhi, in India, a single philanthropist supported a group of 8,000 > > > experts in the Transcendental Meditation technique and the advanced > > > TM-Sidhi program, including Yogic Flying). Over those three years, > > > every major conflict in the world peacefully resolved. First, a war of > > > seven years between Iraq and Iran that had claimed millions of lives > > > finally came to an end. Then, after five years, the Soviet Union's > > > brutal invasion of Afghanistan was called to a halt. Most encouraging, > > > in 1989 the Berlin Wall fell, the Soviet Union dissolved, and forty > > > years of Cold War simply melted away." > > > > > > Was this a group of 8000 Sidhas (as opposed to a mixture of Sidhas and > > > regular TM meditators)? And was the existence of this group widely > > > known in the Movement? I read a mention of it a few years ago, I > > > think in Enlightenment Magazine, but it doesn't seem to have been > > > loudly trumpeted among the Movement. Perhaps because, the end of the > > > Cold War notwithstanding, it doesn't seem that it produced much in the > > > way of world peace. > > > > > > Wars ending, in itself, doesn't really provide evidence of increased > > > world peace; all wars do come to an end eventually anyway. It's HOW > > > the wars end. If a war stops because one side has been defeated or > > > because of a mere cessation of fighting without a decrease in > > > hostility between the countries, this can hardly be seen as evidence > > > of increased world peace. And what about other factors that one would > > > expect to show a change in a positive direction during the existence > > > of a group of 8000? There's no mention of these. I looked > > > at the US crime rate stats and there was no change in those years. > > > Perhaps that's why the existence of this group has not been paraded by > > > the TMO. I sure don't think anybody felt the collective consciousness > > > of the world strongly and suddenly change back then. > > > > > > > Heh. The invasion of Kuwait, followed by the counter-invasion by > dozens of countries isn't > > a sign of anything... > > > > Of course, you're correct: we can't REALLY be sure of the effect on > world consciousness by > > these groups, especially when the groups are not well-documented, > but perhaps MMY > > believes that the internal studies done on this group of 8000 over 2 > year's period justify > > the risk of failure by announcing the Fairfield "study" to the world. > >
I was in Noida 1990, living in the Zimmerman suite. It was a pundit- school with about 8000 students in age from 5 to app 12. This was an area not constructed according to Sthapatya Ved. The effect on world consciousness was limited, they where not trained at the time, the area was not ideal. Some of these punditboys might be in FF today. The ashram collapsed because the teachers beat the kids with sticks, (I saw this with my own eyes and was astonished by the brutality) and the children eventually revolted, putting fire to several buildings and jumped over the high wall surrounding the area and went home to their parents. Apparently some died in the revolt. Returning to Vlodrop, Maharishi was not amused. I mean, beating small children with sticks ? The fellow in charge of Noida, a medical doctor perceived as a hot shot in the indian movement, he, well, I have not seen him mentioned later.
