--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB
> > <no_reply@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected],
> > "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB
> > <no_reply@> 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I suspect that all techniques of 
> > > > > self realization are placebos.
> > > >
> > > > If time and space don't exist or don't exist as
> > the agency of 
> > the 
> > > > creation, then yes- all placebos. However,
> > immersing ourselves 
> > in 
> > > > time 
> > > > and space as tools to explore self realization,
> > then techniques 
> > are 
> > > > just that, shortcuts. If I can wait three weeks
> > to drive a nail 
> > > > through a pine two by four with my hand, no
> > technique needed, 
> > > > otherwise I'll use a hammer.
> > > 
> > > And couldn't this possibly be because most of the
> > > people around you, for most of your life, have
> > done
> > > their best to convince you that a hammer is the
> > > "right" tool for pounding a nail? I've met nutcase
> > > martial artists who can pound a nail into a
> > two-inch
> > > board with their hands. It's not the most
> > practical
> > > of skills :-), but for them it takes no less time 
> > > than it would take you to do the same thing with
> > > your "society-approved" hammer.
> > >
> > Not at all- I'm saying that techniques save time or
> > decrease space. 
> > In this case, I can learn to use a hammer more
> > easily and in a 
> > shorter time than learning how to drive a nail with
> > my hand.
> 
> Whatcha building guys, a tree fort?
> 
Yep, and its at least two stories tall! :-)

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