--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], Peter <drpetersutphen@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- nablusos108 <nablusos108@> wrote:
> <snip>
> > > Agreed. My point is only that it is not much of a
> > > big deal. This 
> > > fellow makes a small mistake in his eagerness and
> > > them he apologies. 
> > > Why all this agitation over a small thing ?
> > 
> > Journalistic ethics. You can't change writing, in this
> > context, without indicating that a change has been
> > made and noting your change from the original work.
> > Its so the reader knows who wrote what. In this case
> > the TMO did not like something about the original
> > piece and changed it without noting they had changed
> > it. If you make a change in someone elses writing and
> > then present  the writing as if the change has not
> > been made, that is manipulation. 
> 
> I'm not sure "manipulation" is the correct term, but
> the rest is spot-on, and not just for journalists.
> It's in the same general category of ethical lapses
> as plagiarism.
> 
> On the other hand, nablusos is correct that the changes
> were cosmetic, not substantive, so it's really just
> the principle of the thing in this particular case.
> But if that principle wasn't observed here, you can't
> have confidence that it would be observed with regard
> to changes that *were* substantive in other pieces, past
> or future.
> 
> So it's most definitely Not a Good Thing.  And from
> what Roth has been quoted as saying, it appears he
> hasn't grasped what the problem is.
>

INSULAR group of people. The same thing happend with JAMA and Chopra. It 
wouldn't 
have killed them to properly fill out the form, and they actually were NOT 
trying to hide 
anything, as far as I can tell, since their original cover letter specifically 
said that they were 
consulting for MAPI. When I pointed out to someone (might have been ROth, might 
have 
been someone else) that they should have been EXTREMELY careful in filling out 
their 
forms because of the hostile environment they were publishing in, the response 
was that 
had they known how hostile it really was, they simply wouldn't have tried to 
publish in the 
first place.




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