All this enlightenment stuff is sick. The last person who is enlightened is 
the person walking around thinking they're enlightened. Such enlightenment 
does not exist. As the message below from Babaji Robert showed, when you 
'think' you're enlightened life will prove otherwise.

Since there is no way to be enlightened at all times, it is better to become 
skillful at nonenlightenment. Enlightenment which stops thinking of itself 
is also enlightenment. Thus 'he who laughs last laughs loudest.'


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 2:02 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Nisargadatta quote


> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
>> >
>> > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > MMY's own meta-explanation for why he even bothers to
>> > > present a theory is because the intellect has a need to
>> > > explain things, that's all.
>> >
>> > One could also explain it as, "In the absence of the
>> > promised results ("5-7 years to enlightenment"),
>> > giving people theory after theory to hang onto
>> > keeps them from paying too much attention to all
>> > the broken promises."  :-)
>> >
>>
>> Heh. Within a few weeks of learning TM I was having enlightenment
> experiences. Had I a
>> more structured religious tradition, I might not have indulged in
> all the interesting side-
>> trips I did when I was young, but on the other hand, had my father
> not gone off with the
>> obvious (in hindsight) intent of killing himself by exposure on a
> fishing trip, I might have
>> had less stress in my life and wouldn't have indulged in self-
> destructive behavior myself.
>>
>> Either way, for ME, enlightenment was obviously occuring within a
> few weeks and months
>> of my starting TM. Witnessing sleep, dreaming and so on was
> starting to occur, etc.
>>
>> However, during the week that my Mother drove off to retrieve my
> Father from the hospital
>> he'd been taken to when hikers discovered him in his drunken stupor
> that he'd imposed
>> on himself many miles from civilization, which lead to a
> week's "exposure to the
>> elements," I managed to contract a case of mono that nearly killed
> me.
>>
>> Between the stress of recovering from mono (epstein-barr syndrome
> seemed a likely
>> explanation for how weak I was ever-after), and the stress of
> watching my father kill
>> himself by milimeters after his failed attempt to kill himself by
> inches, I pretty much lost
>> any symptoms of CC for decades.  I Continued TM, however, since
> there was an obvious
>> feeling of "not-quite-as-bad" afterwards.
>>
>> My point is simply: you have no idea why people didn't get to
> enlightenment in 5-7 years.
>> I've met high school kids from MSAE who appear to be durned close
> themselves, and I've
>> heard of others from MSAE who went off the deep end.
>>
>> For some reason. MMY probably DID expect people to get enlightened
> faster than they did.
>> This makes his time-line mistaken, but while SOME people got upset
> at the Perfect Master
>> not being correct to the month, others simply slogged ahead,
> getting whatever benefits we
>> got...
>>
>> ...and we didn't need an "explanation" to excuse our decision to
> continue.
>>
>
> Thanks for the above;
> Just to add to this a bit, I would think that these days, people
> would have the possibility of gaining enlightenment much faster...
> As more and more long term meditators, baby-boomer generation, added
> to the ever increasing desire for authenticity of the younger
> generation;
> Enlightenment should become a much more natural thing, understood,
> much more than was possible, only a few years ago.
> R.G.
>
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