--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 16, 2006, at 7:14 PM, sparaig wrote:

[Vaj wrote:]

> > > That [sic] why invincibility is a myth. It's a selling point
> > > based on a falsehood. Actually what Patanjali says is that
> > > ahimsa goes into your surroundings. In many cases what that
> > > means is, if your neighbor hasn't done the same thing, he'll
> > > come over and kick the crap out of you.
> 
> > Really. Is THAT what YS 2:35 means...

Vaj quickly does a little research to refresh
his memory as to what YS 2:35 actually says,
then walks back what he said originally so it
bears some resemblance to Patanjali's sutra,
having carefully expunged what he said to start
with:

> It's a sketch. That's why they need comments. Vyasa says
> the loss of hostility extends to "all beings", by that
> what he means is that creatures normally hostile to each
> other--like a cat and a mouse--even they abandon their
> natural hostility towards each other.
> 
> The comments also specify the tests for the perfection of
> ahimsa
>
> -the vitarkas and deviant thought no longer arise in
> the presences of the causes which would normally incite
> violence and those tendencies in others and
> 
> -this is not a passing or occasional thing, but is stabilized,  
> permanent and natural (pratishtha).
> 
> I like to call this quality of consciousness "immovability".
> 
> This is why I have previously said for this to work one is at 
> least at the level of pacification or subjugation in terms of 
> their experience of samadhi.

So tell us why "invincibility" is a myth and a selling
point based on a falsehood again?  What's the falsehood,
exactly?


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