--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 3, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> > > wrote: > >> Unlike your Clear Light meditation, in which it takes decades > >> of practice to accomplish anything approaching effortlessness. > > > > I don't understand why the effortless thing is such a big deal. For > > me, the glaringly obvious elephant in the corner is people who have > > allegedly moved on to better paths than TM who spend significant > > amounts of time online, lashing out at TM. If their current path is so > > superior and advanced, why spend so much time wallowing in that kind > > of spiritual insecurity and ego drama? > > > Simply because, within the traditions themselves (including Hindu > traditions), the question of what effortlessness is, is well defined, > known and understood. > > When it is lied about or used falsely to promote a certain item it > therefore raises eyebrows. For a long time--largely due to > overwhelming naivete or fear of questioning authorities--this glaring > error went unquestioned and the lie came to be believed by large > numbers of people. The fact still remains that so many people > *believed what they were told*. And so therefore it should not be > real surprise that when you don't Question Authority that it will be > hard for some people to grok the principle if they accepted an > untruth for a long, long time. So there's a certain amount of inertia > that needs to be overcome when this denial is institutionally > engrained. Such mass-indoctrinated untruths can even take on their > own egregore--a folie à plusieurs (this is what seems to have > happened in the TMO IMO). > > Why is it important? It is important because the distinction between > truly effortless meditation and meditative paths which use subtle > effort are very basic distinctions between two contrasting types of > meditative praxis. It's basic. This experiential distinction becomes > more important as one progresses on the path--but it's also important > for having the ability to speak to other styles of meditation > practitioners in an authentic way. If the person you are talking to > doesn't know any better, you wouldn't notice any overt difference > (other than the fact that you have propagated your own unknowing > error on to others). If they do know the difference, of course they > will stop taking you seriously. > > .02 USD >
Well... Hmmm... How to answer that... I guess you know better than me whether or not I use any effort while meditating. Thanks for pointing this out.
