On Jan 10, 2007, at 3:41 PM, cardemaister wrote:

--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:41 PM, cardemaister wrote:


As we "all" know by now, the "normal" count of syllables
in a triSTup-verse is 11/"line". But for some reason
Diirghatamas, the son of Ucathya and Maamateya,
has only 10 of them on the first line of Rgveda I 164, 39:

R-co a-kSa-re pa-ra-me vyo-man

To add injury to insult, the form 'vyoman' is a "crippled"
form of the regular locative singular, 'vyomani', of
the word, whose "basic" form, or nominative singular is,
we believe, 'vyomaa'.
There's a slight possibility that by leaving out the last
vowel, D. has tried to emphasize the transcendental
nature of 'vyomaa', that often is translated to 'heaven'.

Often and accurately:

vyoman
2 m. (for 1. see p. 1029 , col. 1 ; accord. to Un2. iv , 150 fr. %
{vye} accord. to others fr. %{vi-av} or %{ve}) heaven , sky ,
atmosphere , air (%{vyomnA} , %{vyoma-mArgeNa} or %{-vartmanA} , `"
through the air "') RV. &c. &c. ; space Kap. ; ether (as an element)
Ka1v. Pur. Sus3r. ; wind or air (of the body) BhP. ; water L. ;
talc , mica L. ; a temple sacred to the sun L. ; a partic. high
number L. ; the 10th astrol. mansion VarBr2S. ; preservation ,
welfare TS. (= %{rakSaNa} Sch.) ; m. a partic. Eka7ha S3rS. ; N. of
Praja1-pati or the Year (personified) TS. VS. (Mahi1dh.) ; of Vishn2u
Vishn2. ; of a son of Dasa7rha Hariv. Pur. (v.l. %{vyoma}).

Notice no mention of the word "transcendent" or "transcendental
field" or other such nonsense.


True, but the modifier 'parama' (locative singular: parame) might give
'vyoman' a transcendental flavor, so to speak:

parama  mf(%{A})n. (superl. of %{pa4ra}) most distant , remotest ,
extreme , last RV. &c. &c. ; chief , highest , primary , most
prominent or conspicuous ; best , most excellent , worst
([EMAIL PROTECTED] , with all the heart ; %{-ma-kaNThena} , `" with all
the throat "' , roaring , speaking aloud) ib. ; (with abl.) superior
or inferior to , better or worse than MBh. R. ; m. N. of 2 authors
Cat. ; n. highest point , extreme limit (%{catur-viMzati-p-} , at the
utmost 24) MBh. &c. ; chief part or matter or object (ifc. f. %{A} =
consisting chiefly of , completely occupied with or devoted to or
intent upon) Mn. MBh. Ka1v. &c. ; (%{am}) ind. yes , very well ; (also
%{parama-} in comp. ; see below) very much , excessively , excellently
, in the highest degree MBh. Ka1v. &c.

So is the "highest heaven" transcendental and a "Unified Field"?

You saw the list of the heavens. Which one is it? For that matter, how many are given in Rig Veda?

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