--- In [email protected], "wgm4u" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "wgm4u" <wgm4u@> wrote: > > > > > > Maharishi and Guru Dev are/were apparently > > > enlightened, right? > > > > Why do you assume this? > > > > I'm not trying to be argumentative, just to > > bring up an assumption so common in the TM > > movement that it is rarely challenged. Nor > > does anyone give any thought to where the > > assumption *came from*. It's just assumed as > > a given and filed away in a box and every- > > thing else one chooses to believe about TM > > and its teachings is built on top of it. > > > > The fascinating thing is that I have met > > many people like myself who, in my case > > during 14 years in the TMO, *never once* > > heard Maharishi say that he was enlightened. > > Not once. And yet many of those *same* people > > assume he is anyway. Their *belief* or *hope* > > that he is enlightened is more important to > > them than what they've actually heard him say. > > Go figure. > > > > A similar puzzling phenomenon is seen in a > > situation that has come up again recently, > > whether TM is truly effortless. Faced with > > a quote from Maharishi himself saying that > > there is some subtle effort involved with > > TM, many people cling *desperately* to the > > "TM is completely effortless" dogma they > > were taught, claiming that the quote is > > inaccurate, that other people are "misin- > > terpreting" it, whatever...*anything* but > > challenge one of their longest-held assump- > > tions. Again, go figure. > > I used the word 'apparently', right, with a question mark, I agree > with you, whether MMY is enlightened is NOT a foregone conclusion, > Guru Dev though may be..... > > And you are also right, there is a so called 'effortless effort' > involved in TM, but we do 'come back to the mantra', so it's not > exactly aimless. > > >
What mantra? How do you know it's "the mantra?"
