Having seen this referenced, i checked it out. http://tmfree.blogspot.com/search/label/sex
This section on "sex" seems to be a pretty good orgainizing of various correspondence on "girls". However, that does not make the source material accurate. Here are some excerpts with some commnets from my first hand experience. "I did not see her at Humboldt '72, but I have maintained a very clear memory since then of being told by one of my TTC friends when I arrived at Humboldt (Jennifer had been on our TTC) that Jennifer was there with the intent of confronting those on the course with details of sexual experiences with MMY. I recall that the person who told me surmised that she must have joined a fundamentalist Christian group, but that possibility seemed to me wholly outside of her character. I suppose I might so clearly remember being told about this both because the information was so incongruous with my image of MMY and because, as I indicated before, Jennifer was someone who I considered a pretty straight arrow." re: "Jennifer was someone who I considered a pretty straight arrow." That was my impression also. Jennifer was on my TTC, and a smaller extension, we were in the same hotel of about 40-50. I did not know here well, but everyone sort of knew who evryone was -- havng dinner with same 40 people for two months, walking to lectures, etc. Jennifer said, "Actually if you read the stories carefully, what the men knew is all that they should have known-they got me from my room-MMY asked for me. I have not told any story yet. I did talk to Ned, but his memory is not complete." The skin-boy transcipts "take us to the door" but don't tell the real story. "It lasted for at least a couple of weeks. While it was going on, Judith and April approached Jennifer, for they saw what was happening, and told Jennifer that she would be just one of numerous women that MMY had already had. This caused Jennifer to flee." I was surprised to read "two weeks", my impression was that it was an affair of 2-6 months. That April was aware of the affairs is interetsting. In her last day or two, she was VERY upbeat about the TMO and MMY. As was Joe Clarke. I was with them almost the whole time that last day before the crash. And part of the prior one. Jovial, much laughter and jokes, lots of plans for TM's growth, positive discussions about MMY, etc. "From another old-timer: Here is what I heard in the late 70's from a TM teacher who had originally worked at the Cambridge Center, then in Manhattan and was part of Charlie and Mark Lerner's etc. crowd. He told me that April called someone she was close to (probably Charlie?) at the Cambridge Center after she had arrived in N Carolina. She was with Joe and sounded hysterical. She said she had some very upsetting news about MMY and would not discuss any more on the phone. She said that as soon as she and Joe finished looking for land in N Carolina they would come to Boston and explain it all." April was certainly not hysterical AT ALL that I saw in her last day before the accident. April, Joe, Ron and I had the most charming, witty, inspiring, delightful time driving to and walking the land outside Ashville the intended home of the first MIU campus. Goes to show, some things people write are distorted, perhaps thrid to forth hand, and not representative of what happened. "In '78-'79 when the MMY & sex stuff arose with some force, Charlie recalled that Joe had called him shortly before the NC trip saying that he had learned something very troubling that he had to talk about with Charlie, and my recollection is that it was something that April had told Joe. Joe said it was very big, and they decided to put off discussing it until they met up on the Cape. Charlie theorized that perhaps Joe had been intending to tell him that he had learned from April that MMY had been sexually involved with women. At the time, the whole thing was troubling to many of us, including Charlie. I know that he has no interest in it at all now, however, having contacted him with the "skin boys" dialogue that has been reproduced on FFL. I think I can fairly say that he considers it irrelevant to MMY's importance as a spiritual master." April and Joe certainly did not seem shaken by any knowledge they may have had of the affairs in their last days. And this was 1972. And Charlie, while apparently shaken at the time by the affairs, but now apparently sees it as near irrelevant in the broader scope of things. That perhaps parallels my view. --- In [email protected], new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have all the guys during the sexy sadie period stepped > foward and > > > > > said that > > > > > > they agree > > > > > > with it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, not all, not, John Black, Kirby, etc , as far as i know. And > > > > > John became a raja. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That "etc" is a rather uncertain term, given that we're talking > > > about 8 people total. > > > > > > > I count 20. > > > > > > I. Those whom I am aware have said things supporting "girls" 45% > > > > > > Ned Wynn - Mallorca > > > Casey Coleman - Mallorca > > > Rob McCutcheon - Mallorca > > > Shannon Dickson Mallorca/Fiuggi > > > Billy Clayton Mallorca/Fiuggi > > > Conny Larsson - Seelisberg > > > John Gray - Seelisberg > > > Mark Landau - Mürren > > > Martin Karklins ?? > > > > Each of these epxlicitly and publicly supported the "girls" thing, > or are you going by the > > hearsay of the sexy sadie conversation? > > > > I am going by the skin-boy transcripts, other correspondence, and many > side converstaion with others who have had more direct converstaion > with the above. > > > Per my uncerstanding, I would say the following have made strong > statements and have strong opinions. > > > Ned Wynn - Mallorca > > > Casey Coleman - Mallorca > > > Rob McCutcheon - Mallorca > > > Shannon Dickson Mallorca/Fiuggi > > > Mark Landau - Mürren > > > Conny Larsson - Seelisberg > > There have been less communications with these follwoing three per my > knowledge, but they have made comments supporting "girls" to my > understanding. > > I may be incorrect. > > > > Billy Clayton Mallorca/Fiuggi > > > John Gray - Seelisberg > > > Martin Karklins ?? > > Rick could clarify substantially. > > > > > > > II. Those who not said anything supporting "girls, to my knowledge, > > > and have stayed relatively positive towards MMY and TMO (despite in > > > some cases having been "dropped" from inner circle 30% > > > > > > Charlie Lutes > > > Jerry Jarvis > > > John Black Raja > > > Bob Cranson Purusha > > > Kirby Childress was Purusha now ??? > > > Neil Paterson was Purusha now??? > > > > > > > > > III People I don't kbnow status of their knowledge of "girls" > > > 25% > > > > > > Louis Dyson > > > Tom Factor > > > John Cowhig > > > Rig Gelfand > > > Ron Dector > > > > > > > > > And some woman who had close access for many years and should have > > > been aware of any hanky-panky -- yet have have been positive for many > > > years > > > > > > Rindi Schwartz > > > Josie Fuarsso (on MIU trustees through 90s, in MAPI ads etc.) > > > Mother Divine group > > > I am sure others can add many other names. > > > > > > And many men on inside still positive over many years > > > > > > Keith Wallace > > > Purusha particularly > > > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > >
