--- In [email protected], "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Sal Sunshine <salsunshine@> wrote: > > > > On Feb 5, 2007, at 1:13 PM, geezerfreak wrote: > > > > > --- In [email protected], Sal Sunshine <salsunshine@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> On Feb 5, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Rick Archer wrote: > > >> > > >>> They're grown-ups. They can arrange this for themselves if they want. > > >>> > > >> > > >> Precisely my point, Rick. And they were as well when all this > > >> supposedly took place. > > >> > > >> Sal > > >> > > > Don't be so sure Sal. > > > > How darkly ominous, Geez. :) > > > > What this really is all about, IMO, is nothing to do with the women or > > even MMY, but about refusing to own up to decisions made years ago > > under the influence of someone who apparently wasn't following his own > > advice. There's still some residual stress, shall we say. My only > > point is to deal with the stress in a responsible way, instead of (over > > and over) tossing out some other issue as a decoy. If it were me, I'd > > get some counseling. > > Sal > > > Back in the 70's I believe there was a group of therapists in the Bay area (San Francisco) > who specialized in helping people who had left a group or cult, or been disappointed by a > guru( Not the kidnap the cultist guys). > Sal, I think your idea about therapy is sound, but I think you are mistaken about "other > issues as a decoy." This is a complex situation - to believe or even see first hand - your > guru having sex or behaving in ways totally unexpected. The victims ARE a reason to be > upset, especially if you know one and witness the fallout. And to see that your guru > presents a different face to the public and is not really "honest," is devastating. I think the > astonishment, the sense of betrayal, the lack of trust, are pretty deep. Even a good > therapist could only do so much for some of these people. When you are in your 20's and > have given your heart and future life plans, out of devotion and your own need, to a cause > and a person - the loss is huge. Like finding out your beloved parent was not the person > you thought they were. Therapy can help, but do you ever really "get over" that? Some do, > like Barry and that is great. Me, I believe it all happened ( I got my first info back in '72) > but somehow I still love my TM, I know it works well for me, and I accept MMY as a Master > whose personality and nervous system acted in some ways I don't want to be around. > Somehow or other mistakes were made, even though there are no real mistakes. > > Also, I don't think Rick is the person who keeps bringing this up. My take is that he is > responding clearly and briefly to others when the subject is brought up. He is not going to > cover this up by remaining silent, nor is he going to keep the conversation going just to > vent or spread the word. The whole thing is difficult, and those who don't want to deal > with this info should definitely feel ok to not do so. That is fine. Once they come to that > conclusion, I think they should stay out of the conversation themselves. skip the posts, > whatever it takes.
Thank you Wayback. Nail hit squarely on the head. Rick, out of kindness and consideration to some of those involved, is actually holding back.
