--- In [email protected], "Mr. Magoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@>
wrote:
>
>
> > The question is when on our journey do we confront the 'dweller
on
> > the threshold'?
>
> As soon as you start exercising/applying your spiritual will power,
> which is achieved thru regular meditation, but you must exercise
it!
>
> >Where is the starting point from which to measure
> > our First Step in spiritual progress?
>
> Peace and a pure conscience.
>
> > The draw of the senses can be understood conceptually and felt
> > generally long before the Self is realized, though attempts to
> > channel our energies upwards at that point will be fruitless
because
> > we cannot act with precision.
>
> If you wait, you ignore the image of God within yourself which
> entitles/enables you to command your fate, bend your will to God's
> will. That is spiritual will power.
>
>
> Without Self realization, there is not
> > a clear view of the senses acting upon the mind, and no way to
> > determine a starting point; no foundation from which to begin
our
> > spiritual progress.
>
> The foundation is Yama and Niyama as stated by Patanjali,
Meditation
> and moral activity go hand in hand! MMY doens't mention this much
> because he is teaching TM as a simple mental technique and not as a
> Religion.
>
> >
> > Only after Self realization, with the senses and the mind both
> > isolated clearly as elements outside the Self, does the activity
> > resulting from wisdom begin to naturally move our life force
upwards.
>
> Self Realization is the result of the life force (kundalini) moving
> upwards.
>
So do you see Self realization as the end or the beginning of the
journey?
