--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: <snip> > > > Thanks for "exempting" me, Peter, but I want to > > > respond to your question anyway. I have no earthly > > > idea what Maharishi might have said about these > > > things, and I don't care. For some of us, meditation > > > is something we do because it enables us to stop > > > thinking and just sit quietly in samadhi. > > > > Kill dat Buddha, dude. > > What Buddha? I'm just talking about my everyday > meditations, and what would and would not strike > me as interesting enough to discuss about them. > > Not everyone here has the same definition of > 'meditation' that you do. Yours seems to involve > the *TM* definition, which I think I can sum up > best by quoting one TM supporter here who described > it yesterday: "Not maintaining transcendental > consciousness is not a 'failure' in the TM context, > of course. Nor is having thoughts. These are an > integral part of TM." > > I have no problem with this description, as long > as it is of Transcendental Meditation, as taught > by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
Hmm, you might want to let Vaj know it's an accurate description, in light of his own description of TM, "...failing to maintain transcendence and then having the subtle (or even unconscious) intent to return to mantra to correct failure to maintain transcendent..." But others of us here > practice other forms of meditation, and believe > that not being able to experience TC (samadhi) > or not being able to maintain that experience for > long periods of time IS a bit of a 'failure.' In > our paradigm for what meditation is, it's all > *about* transcending and maintaining transcendence; > everything else is merely the stuff that leads up > to that. BUDDHA ALERT!!! > What DOES interest me is the sometimes apalling > ignorance in long-term TMers of the larger world > of meditation practice, and the many different > paradigms and descriptions of What Meditation Is > that exist in that larger world. My experience is > that TMers tend to look *down* on other forms of > meditation so much that they don't WANT to learn > anything about them or hear about them. And they > *especially* don't want to hear about techniques > in which the practitioners spend half to most of > their meditation time in samadhi, while they > themselves spend much of their time discussing > all the different things they go through trying > to GET to samadhi. Any TMer who worries about "trying to GET to samadhi" is OFF THE PROGRAM.
