--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Alex Stanley" <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 7, 2007, at 3:26 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: > > > > > > > > > The pattern since getting involved with Waking Down is that I keep > > > > > revisiting the same stuff over and over again in cycles of pressure > > > > > and release. And, I feel into it a bit deeper in each pressure > > cycle. > > > > > Thing is, this stuff is all I've known for more than 30 years. I > > don't > > > > > even know what's innate and what's conditioned. And, I don't > > know how > > > > > to "work with it" other than just be with whatever is holding my > > > > > attention. > > > > > > > > Sounds like you found one of the evolutionary reasons for > > > > "witnessing" which is if you can witness, you can go into that state > > > > and let the tape loops roll and let the unconscious pour its crapola > > > > (without being involved in the mind-sewer). Then you're no longer > > > > feeding the loops. If you're experiencing them as suffering, there > > > > are probably still elements where you separate from them through > > > > aversion ("pushing away"). > > > > > > > > You have a number of choices: witness and remain uninvolved or be so > > > > spacious, it's all one and there is no separation. > > > > > > > > One way I work with this type of pattern is to invoke them in > > > > dreaming sleep and then freeze them. Believe me, if you use your > > > > *utter annoyance* at the repetition of the tape loops to inspire > > your > > > > focus, you can get the dream to stop. It's just a karmic VCR and > > > > you're the only one with the remote. Then just hold the loop > > elements > > > > in your awareness till they open, relax and go away. Then you might > > > > go to another set of loops, but hopefully one that is either so long > > > > you aren't annoyed by it's constant repetitions or it's content is > > > > simply more livable without having to resort to witnessing. Or it > > may > > > > completely open up. The best antitode IME is non-dual meditation, > > > > eyes open, in a unified state and let the clouds come and go. If > > > > there is no separation, there is no possible tension and so the > > loops > > > > resolve, of themselves, by themselves, like a snake untying itself > > > > from a knot. > > > > > > > > > > But that's not TM witnessing. > > > > Yeah, so what? Neither Vaj nor I are talking about TM on this thread. > > > > So there is no "evolutionary basis" for "TM witnessing?"
That's a question for Vaj. The TM model of awakening/enlightenment doesn't resonate with me, so I ignore it for the most part. > Just what kind of witnessing are we talking about then? The witnessing I'm talking about, and I assume Vaj is talking about, is awareness of ones nondual nature, which allows an uninvolved perspective of the I/me and all its drama. TM witnessing sounds to me like waking state attention that is lively during sleeping and dreaming states. It's a phenomenon, a state of dual mind.
