--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't allege that he was homeless, that is a fact. >>
Incorrect. He that is estabished in Being is forever at home in the ocean of pure consciousness, the home of all the laws of nature, the Kingdom of Heaven, in which Raj Ram is found in his Palace, his unbounded home. (ref. paraphrasing somebody somewhere) OffWorld I have my own > opinion about his mental state just as you do. I sincerely believe > that he needed medical attention as a boy. I think his folks needed a > check up from the neck up also. Whatever he was able to achieve with > such a deplorable beginning in life is amazing. > > The aspect that you raise considering his humble beginnings, that he > rose to such heights in the Hindu religion is amazing. It is a heroic > tale of survival worthy of a movie. The fact that his position of > power we instrumental in upholding social values that I find repugnant > is another issue. But I appreciate your perspective that he was a > spiritual Horatio Alger story. That is an aspect I was not > appreciating fully. > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > If one of Curtis's street people were successful > > > in these respects, it would be awfully difficult > > > not to view them as "special." > > > > > > (Or let's say "remarkable," since "special" has > > > acquired such negative baggage on this forum.) > > > > > > I think we are missing each other on this point. He was a > > fascinating > > > guy. I probably would connect with him on his love of nature. I > > don't > > > see any evidence for him being more amazing then a lot of other > > > religious leaders upholding the status quo even if it includes the > > > cruelty of the caste system. I think you are over focusing on my > > > bringing up the fact of his homelessness. > > > > And not getting the medical attention he needed, > > as I recall. > > > > Curtis, when you suggest that a very prominent > > spiritual leader was mentally ill and homeless, > > it's such astonishing assertion, particularly when > > it goes against everything we know about Guru > > Dev, that it's going to be the focus of attention > > as long as you continue to start from that notion > > in your evaluation of him. > > > > That doesn't make him less > > > interesting, it makes him more. Especially when coupled with your > > > point about how he pulled of the Shankaracharya gig. > > > > > > So I'll give him special and remarkable (although not > > > necessarily for the reasons he is revered in TMO), but > > > he doesn't' get divine. Is that fair? > > > > I think you ought to withdraw the "homeless" and > > "mentally ill" allegations. > > > > "Divine," I don't care about one way or the other. > > >
