Ms. Mousetrap. Damned if you do, double damn! There is no winning against
Ms. Judy, and there is no transcendence in the intellect. Thanks for
illustrating.  Ms. Mousetrap. Damned if you do. Double damn!

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:11 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Descartes before the horse (was Re: Heart-stopping)

--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "lurkernomore20002000"
> <steve.sundur@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> 
wrote:
> > 
> > snip
> > > 
> > > This speech comes from a place in me that has
> > > always held fairness, honesty, and sincerity as
> > > the highest values. I was raised with those
> > > values; they were how my parents treated me, and
> > > I was taught that I should stand up for those
> > > values, for others as well as myself, whenever I
> > > saw them being trashed.
> > > 
> > > Goodness knows I have my faults, but I do my
> > > level best to live up to that teaching, at least.
> > > And that's what I'm doing in this post.
> > 
> > (Speaking about you in the third person) (I think)  This 
> > lady is a powerful writer, and what a mind.  But I just 
> > can't help but feel she has this tremendous blind spot 
> > that prevents her from seeing things in clear light. I 
> > mean the moniker, "Defender of the Faith" seems 
> > appropiate.

Lurk, I think you've lost the context here.  What
I wrote that you quote wasn't about "defending the
faith."

But naturally Barry chooses to pick up on the non
sequitur, since it gives him an opportunity to
do some more bashing:
 
> The more I encounter this "defender of the faith"
> mentality, not just on FFL but in Christian groups
> and Buddhist groups and Islamic groups and even in
> political groups and Microsoft groups and Oracle 
> groups, the more I am reminded of Rene Descartes.
<snip>
> And sadly, the more "attacks" that the small s self
> perceives, and the more it "defends" itself against
> them and feels important for having done so, the more 
> unhappy it gets.
> 
> As opposed to realizing that there is nothing to be
> "attacked," and nothing to defend, and nothing to
> defend *against*, and that letting go of the notion 
> of self is the thing that leads to the ultimate 
> happiness of Self.

And therefore, according to Barry, it's completely
unnecessary to go to the trouble to be fair, honest,
and sincere.

But we knew that about his perspective already.




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