--- In [email protected], "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
> > At the kind of cocktail parties I prefer, most
> > of the guests value honesty--both intellectual
> > and factual.
> 
> That makes five ma'am. Your designated driver will now take
> you home.

Ah, yes, Rick Archer, fairness personified.
Gratuitously announces I'm at my posting limit so
he can insinuate that I'm inebriated, knowing I
won't be able to respond until the next day.

And how could anyone think Rick was hypocritical?
I mean, he's *never* suggested there was anything
wrong with baiting, now, has he?

Thanks for helping me out here, Rick.  I just
knew I could count on you.

(He'll claim that, oh, he was only joshing
and that I shouldn't have taken it seriously.
But I'm talking about the impulse behind it.)


--- In [email protected], "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
> I would rather have no posting limit, and have everyone
> magically behave themselves, sort of like what Montana
> tried to do with the speed limit (http://www.us-
> highways.com/montana/mtspeed.htm), but the real world
> doesn't seem to work that way.

No, but if you cracked down on the gratuitous
trashers and slammers and baiters (now including
yourself), you most likely wouldn't need a
posting limit.

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--- In [email protected], "lurkernomore20002000" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Turq:
> Given Judy's attempts today to start and prolong
> > > arguments with Marek and Lurk, of all people,
> > 
> > Judy:
> Pretty funny, given that it was Marek and Lurk
> > who tried to start arguments with *me*, not the
> > reverse.  But typical of the up-is-downism that
> > seems to have taken over here lately.
> 
> lurk:
> Strange.  For me, what passes as generally polite conversation is 
> construed as wanting to start an argument.

Actually, neither you nor I was trying to
start, let alone prolong, an argument, but
what you wrote really wasn't "polite
conversation" either.

Here it is again:

> > This
> > lady is a powerful writer, and what a mind. But I just
> > can't help but feel she has this tremendous blind spot
> > that prevents her from seeing things in clear light. I
> > mean the moniker, "Defender of the Faith" seems
> > appropiate.
> 
> Lurk, I think you've lost the context here. What
> I wrote that you quote wasn't about "defending the
> faith."

That's it.  That's all I said.

I think Barry's upset that you also complimented
my writing skills (for which thanks), so he had
to find some reason to attack me and decided to
pretend I had tried to start an argument with
you.

> But here IS a kind of 
> mean spirited comment.  I was thinking today that "talking" with 
> Judy is kind of like having a specimen in a laboratory.  You just 
> kind of prod it here, or poke it there, and it is always 
> surprising what comes out.  Really, I like Judy.  I respect her.
> But I am thrilled to have her output cut back to five posts.  I 
> mean, I think this place is a hell of alot more fun.

Yup, this is definitely mean-spirited, the
accompanying professions of liking and respect
notwithstanding. To insult someone, and then
say something positive, doesn't really do
anything to mitigate the insult.  But it does
make one wonder how sincere the positive part is.

Again, I'm convinced that the most effective way
to get this forum under control is to crack down
on the mean-spirited comments and pokes and
insults and jibes and baiting and attacks and
trashing. I think we ought to try that first,
and see how much difference it makes. If there
are still too many posts, then we can go back to
limiting them.

What will really make FFL more fun is eliminating
the poisonous atmosphere that has been allowed to
develop--and even encouraged in some quarters.


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