--- Richard, you're beginning to make a fool out of yourself. Let me explain. The fact that MMY was "into" sex doesn't impact my practice of TM one bit. MMY is also one of my Gurus - that means I'm personally "devoted" to him as a door into the Absolute, but if there's some flakes on the door paint, who cares? Pass THROUGH the door, don't stop on the way through and nitpick on the dimensions of the door. He's one of my Gurus since I regularly play a video of MMY along with 15 Pundits doing the traditional puja followed by a very long puja to Mahakali. Jerry Jarvis sent me the video, and I sincerely appreciate it it (along with TM) is another tool needed to vanquish false identification. My foremost Guru however, is Ramana Maharshi, followed by Hsuan Hua, a Pure Land Buddhist whom I used to sit at the feet of and eat lunch with at the same table on occasion. (he ate only one meal per day). In the latest issue of WIE, Tom Huston has an excellent article called "Everyday Advaita" in which he critiques an "executive coach", Robert Rabbin. Huston states, "Delving into the fall from grace of Advaita gurus Eli Jaxon-Bear, 60, and his wife, Gangaji, 65 -- who, last Oct., went public with an admission that Eli had engaged in a 3 year affir with a student half his age - Rabbin held nothing back in his assault on their spiritual philosophy." That is, Rabbin is assaulting the Neo-Advaitin position that one can't be an "ordinary" person in the true sense - engaging in wholesale pursuits - and still be considered to be a Neo-Advaitin; since such persons (refer to Vaj's excellent post) are "supposed" to act in a certain way. Huston states, "Rabbin is pointing to what numerous contemporary spiritual teachers believe to be the cutting edge of mystical spirituality--namely, learning to integrate our deepest realizations of transcendent Being with our ordinary, everyday, fully human lifes. And how do they propose we do that? Simple: by accepting ourselves, warts and all, exactly as we are". [end quote], WIE, April-June, 2007, page 49. My advice, accept MMY, (any another Gurus, as they are in the relative sense - warts an all. Don't get into "truthiness"...what you WANT to be true or impose on such Gurus, with all of their warts, an artificial code of moral behavior of your own construction. Should anybody find some "dirt" on Ramana Maharshi or Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche (another one of my teachers), fine; show me the facts, circumstantial or otherwise, and I will plug that information into my data bank. back to Huston's article, p. 49: "Relating this back to the Eli Jaxon-Bear affair, Rabbin writes: "I don't think Eli is flawed, and I don't think he should stop teaching. In fact, I believe only now is he qualified to teach, now that Toto has shown us the man behind the curtain....Eli's humanity is not the flaw; the flaw is a teaching that forces us to live in shadows and carry secrets". But then Huston faults Rabbin for going too far into the relative spectrum; and then goes into a brief discussion consistent with Andrew Cohen's overall quest to understand the "true" nature of evolutionary Enlightenement. Huston says "And call me idealistic, but when I think of aspiring toward spiritual Enlightenment, a state of profound and perpetual transformation is honestly the only thing I have in mind.". In the spirit of Huston's article, one should look for signs of evolutionary transformation in Gurus, Movements, religions, and cultures. Is there an openness and transparancy about the facts, or is there a veil of secrecy and censorship? Thanks again!
In [email protected], "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > purushaz wrote: > > To summarize: Jerry Jarvis initiated me into TM in > > July, 1967... > > > Look, whoever you are - just post some PROOF or shut > your pie hole and stop the nit-picking. I read Mia's > book 'Not Fade Away' and she says nothing about standing > in no doorway in front of no barber. Read it for yourself. > > Billy can drive over to Jerry's house anytime he wants > to and talk to him - we don't need his P.O. Box. But > what would be the point? Jerry never said anything > about MMY having sex in front of no barber. > > You need to get some smarts - you've probably been > watching too many soap operas on TV. A barber told you? > And monkeys are flying out of your butt. > > > > qntmpkt wrote: > > > > The Barber saw MMY having sex. > > > > > > > It has NOT been established that a "Barber" saw > > > MMY having sex. All we have established is that > > > you made the claim that a barber once told you > > > such-and-such. Do you have any proof other than > > > just plain hearsay that MMY was having sex? > > > > > > Has the MMY been cross-examined? I think not. > > > > > > > The barber told me in 1973. > > > > > > > The barber story is now three times removed from > > > the actual purported event. Why should I even > > > believe that a barber once told you anything except > > > that your hair was dirty? > > > > > > Never heard of a "qntmpkt" at TTC. You're not listed > > > on the approved TMer list at the TM Center at Fairfield. > > > Never heard of a "qntmpkt" Minister or Governor in > > > the TMO either. Have you Billy? Who is this guy that > > > hangs out with barber rumor-mongers? > > > > > > > (went over this 12 times)...if you can't > > > > accept the truth, you have some type of blockage. > > > > > > > The truth is that the barber was probably lying > > > and you've apparently accepted his word for it, > > > now you have a blockage to using plain logic. > > > > > > Now who would you believe: > > > > > > A very large group of people, all standing on the > > > corner, who all said that they never saw a big > > > blue bus go by. > > > > > > Or, a nameless barber, standing on the same street > > > corner, who said that a big blue bus just drove by. > > > > > > Billy wrote: > > > > > > The 'article' is in error as you mentioned, > > > > > > *because* she said the affair started in > > > > > > 1969 at the (reported) age of MMY at 68 > > > > > > years old. > > > > > > > > > Richard J. Williams wrote: > > > > > So, she is saying that MMY was celibate up to > > > > > the age of 68, then, for one year he wasn't > > > > > celibate, then from 1969 till today he was > > > > > celibate. So, he must have had sexual relations > > > > > with females for a year, yet neither Ms Pittman > > > > > nor Nandi Keshore, Magic Alex, John, Paul, George, > > > > > Ringo, Mike, Donovan or any skin boy or personal > > > > > secretary, such as Tom Anderson, ever saw him > > > > > actually doing it, even with the door wide open > > > > > and with thousands of students passing by on a > > > > > daily basis for over fifty years. And that the > > > > > Indian press never suspected a thing. > > > > > > > > > > Now that is impressive for a 106 year old man! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
