Turquoise wrote: > The "parent" belief system is called Dualism, with the > different "flavors" of Dualism being the children. In > other words, Catharism isn't a child of Gnosticism; both > are children of Dualism. > Cathars come from Bogomils, Bogomils come from Paulicans, Paulicans come from Gnostics, and Gnostics come from Manichaeans or through Marcionites and Valentinians. All were dualists derived from the Asian notion of Indian Sankhya radical dualism. All Indian dualism predates Gnostic and Manichaean dualistic notions by many centuries.
Apparently the interview with Haliczer misquotes "Kill them all. The Lord knows his own" as "Kill them all. The Devil knows his own" while mistakenly attributing the statement to Simone de Monfort instead of to Arnaud Amalric, the Papal Legate as per the reference to 2 Timothy 2:19. According to Kater Moggin, the parfaits could fall into human imperfections. Catholic priests like Pierre Clergue sympathized with the Cathars of Montaillou, eventually betrayed them, but bedded a fair number of their women while he had the chance. "Me, I was simply ill-informed due to the superficiality of my readings about gnosticism." - Uncle Tantra "The Cathars, Bogomils, and Paulicans are medieval gnostics. Their thinking probably derives from gnosticism in its ancient forms, thru the Manichaeans, as Klaus says, or thru the Marcionites and Valentinians, but the links are still undocumented, so far as I know, though the parallels, large and small, are easy to see." - Kater Moggin
