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Judy,

You appear to be having an off night. Comments interspersed below.


> > > > I have to say, though that it's hard to think of the
> > > > Maharishi as egoless when he has named everything from
> > > > food supplements to universities after himself. To me
> > > > it seems every aspect of the TM Org is a testament to
> > > > the man's world-class, narcissistic ego.
> > > 
> > > A much more likely explanation is that using
> > > his name and picture is a branding strategy.
> > > But that wouldn't reflect quite as badly on
> > > him, so of course you wouldn't mention it.
> >  
> > As to branding, he could have followed the practice of other
> > Indian teachers and named everything after his teacher, Guru
> > Dev.
> 
> And if he had, he'd have been even more violently
> attacked for associating his teacher with a
> commercial enterprise, when Guru Dev was known for
> not even taking donations.

Wow. What a strange argument. Maharishi was actually being selfless by not 
associating 
Guru Dev with the crass commercial enterprise that he launched in his name (in 
Beacon 
Light).


> 
> Plus which--another obvious point that you have
> carefully overlooked--if he puts his name on 
> things, he also has to take the responsibility
> if they don't work out. Yet you think he should
> have arranged it so Guru Dev got the blame.
> 
> Get real.

Again, he started using his own name largely AFTER the fad days of the TM 
Movement. He 
had experienced a very large success. Then he started plastering his name on 
everything.

> 
> > Also, I could point out that he began his incessant 
> > naming of everything "Maharishi" after the TM fad of the
> > 1970s had largely passed. With the exception of MIU, the
> > brand name he promoted up until that point was Transcendental 
> > Meditation itself. If anything he diluted his branding when
> > he switched to naming things after himself.
> 
> You conveniently forget that this was also
> around the time when disaffected TM teachers
> were publicizing the mantra lists and telling
> folks there was nothing unique about TM, and
> the imitators really got going.  Plus which,
> Benson had come out with his Relaxation Response.
> 
> Obviously, MMY didn't *need* branding until then.
> Branding is what you do when you have competitors.

That's simply not true. He trademarked TM, Transcendental Meditation, and the 
TM-Sidhis 
before the Relaxation Response. He obviously felt he needed branding then.


> 
> > The guy's just not egoless.
> 
> Did you imagine that I said he was egoless?

Actually, I didn't say you did say this. Did you imagine that I did?

Nabulous was making a case that the Maharishi was egoless before you wandered 
into the 
conversation.

> 
> > It appears, rather, that you are making excuses for him.
> 
> That's a crock, John. That's your threadbare 
> mantra when anybody points out that your
> accusations are over the top.
>

Weird. I don't remember ever saying you or anybody else was making excuses for 
the 
Maharishi before. Can you provide an example?

John M. Knapp, LMSW
http://tmfree.blogspot.com/
http://trancenet.net/

[A] bad guru can be extremely good
for a sincere devoteeĀ….
It's the main reason so many bad gurus
do good business. They are merely idols
upon which sincere devotees project
their own divinity, with sometimes
seemingly miraculous results.
--Jody R, Guruphiliac.blogspot.com

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