--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > --- In [email protected], Peter
> > <drpetersutphen@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > --- Rory Goff <rorygoff@> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > --- In [email protected],
> > "shempmcgurk"
> > > > <shempmcgurk@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I'd be very curious to know: has anyone on
> > this
> > > > forum had an 
> > > > experience 
> > > > > of the Blue Pearl?
> > > > 
> > > > When the thousand-petalled lotus first appeared
> > over
> > > > my head on a TM-
> > > > sidhis prep course in about '78, it looked much
> > like
> > > > a huge white-
> > > > golden parachute with a dark blue center "hole"
> > --
> > > > which may have 
> > > > been the blue pearl -- from which threads of
> > light
> > > > issued down into 
> > > > the heart. At that time I was still doing a lot
> > of
> > > > astral-body 
> > > > travel, before I came to realize everything was
> > > > actually inside this 
> > > > bodymind. 
> > > > 
> > > > Since then electric-blue lights have manifested
> > on
> > > > numerous 
> > > > occasions, most recently in people's heads here
> > in
> > > > FF. I have never 
> > > > been too drawn to the whole "blue-pearl"
> > phenomenon,
> > > > though, and 
> > > > couldn't say for sure if any of these
> > experiences
> > > > are equivalent to 
> > > > it.
> > > > 
> > > > *L*L*L*
> > > 
> > > The blue pearl is just a relative phenomenon.
> > Neat,
> > > cool, groovy, whatever, but it is still an object
> > of
> > > experience. You're just as bound whether you stare
> > at
> > > porno or experience the blue pearl. Ultimately it
> > is
> > > meaningless in the context of Realization.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Not according to Muktananda:
> > 
> > "The blue Pearl stands for the fourth body, and pure
> > consciousness 
> > lies beyond.  To have a vision of the blue Pearl is
> > absolutely 
> > essential.  Only by the grace and aid of the Blue
> > Pearl, can we enter 
> > into supreme consciousness.  The Blue Pearl is not
> > really different 
> > from supreme consciousness." 
> > 
> > "You have to pass through te Blue Pearl to
> > experience the supreme 
> > consciousness beyond it."
> > 
> > ("Satsand with Baba, Volume V, p. 197 and p.198,
> > respectively)
> > 
> > 
> > Hardly the same as experiencing porn.
> 
> Well, porn is quite rajasic and the blue pearl, as it
> were, very satvic. But any object of experience has
> ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Pure Consciousness. You
> seem to hold a strong mental concept regarding the BP.
> Experience it and you'll eventually say ho hum too. 



Not eventually but from the get-go.

I've seen a bead of blue light every day for pretty much the last 30 
years and if it is, indeed, the blue pearl it has never been much of 
a "Baroque" experience; it has been pretty much of a "ho hum" from 
the first time I saw it (always outside of meditation).

In fact when it first started coming into my vision, I went to an eye 
doctor and asked him about it and he found nothing wrong with me and 
just told me to "enjoy it" if it wasn't interfering with my vision.

Now, the blue lights I see WITHIN the period of TM seem to be, each 
time I experience it (which is at least once a week) another shade or 
aspect of blue that I hadn't previously seen.  The last time it 
happened, it was such an intense experience and so beautiful that I 
actually audibly gasped.

However, I haven't ever associated the experience of these light with 
the mantra, although it almost always happens during meditation (and 
sometimes during sleep).  I mention this because the last time I got 
an advanced technique, one of the questions that they ask on the form 
is something to the effect of: does your mantra ever become light 
(not light as in weight but light as in vision light)?  And I had to 
answer "no" because I never associated the lights with the mantra 
although perhaps that is indeed what it was: the mantra at a subtler 
level.





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