On Jun 5, 2007, at 10:53 AM, authfriend wrote:
--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jun 4, 2007, at 10:00 PM, authfriend wrote:
<snip>
> > Here's the lie Vaj told:
> >
> > "if you do a web search for 'Do nothing and accomplish
> > everything' the phrase is usually tied to get rich
> > quick schemes."
> >
> > In fact, virtually every Google hit on the phrase
> > is tied to Gratzon's book, which is not, of course,
> > a "get rich quick scheme."
>
> Well, since you failed to define a "get rich quick scheme" I find
> your lame response unconvincing.
Most people (including you) know what "get-rich-quick
scheme" refers to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get-rich-quick_scheme
Not at all the type of scheme I was referring to. Of course it should
be clear that I was specifically talking about TM org inspired
schemes for success, wealth and/or financial gain through support of
natural law, etc.
But then again, Judy knew that, she's just using one of her favorite
tactics: diversion. Nice try, but no cigar babe. Thanks for the red
herring but I already had breakfast.
More importantly, though, your lie suggested the
links were to lots of different get-rich-quick
schemes, not to a single book.
And there are others. Will I take the time to hunt them down and list
them for you? Unlikely for me to contact people I've not seen in
years, nor is it likely I will violate their confidentiality by doing
so publicly.
Besides I've already proven my point with hundreds of links. I'm sure
you'll get over it in time if you try.
How many movement entrepreneurs were you friends with Judy? Please
share some of your friend's misfortunes online on a public forum,
we'd love to hear them. I take it you get my point. After all, you
claim to have 'been around' in the TMO. Surely you know someone since
you've been around the TMO so much.
Just for the record, there was no indication whether or not these
hundreds of links would be connected to a single book or not (kind of
irrelevant since some of these are links to different people). The
intention was to demonstrate they simply exist on the web, at that
time. One would suspect most of these have or will disappear over
time since the TM org is dying a slow death and few new people come
in to add to more fiascos.
> So let's look at Judy's assertion that Gratzon's book is not
> part of the genre of "get rich quick scheme" books and whether
> or not it aims a quicker approach to starting a business
> compared to the more traditional approaches.
Irrelevant argument on both counts. There are no
"schemes" in Gratzon's book, so it isn't part of
the genre of books advancing such schemes.
Of course, IMO the book is about such schemes, so this is an
irrelevant point. People tend to do their "scheming" in private. And
of course the number of schemes operating under the 'do nothing,
accomplish everything' rubric extend beyond the ideas in a book.
Different people interpreted it differently and applied it
differently. Most of them are long gone and will never be found on
the web. After all the hay day of the TMO has long since passed.
Rather,
it attempts to prepare readers psychologically to
approach the endeavor of making money without
thinking it has to involve great effort on their
part. His basic thesis is that once you stop
thinking this way, things begin to fall into place
(whatever the specifics) more or less automatically.
No "schemes" involved, just a change of attitude.
LOL, The author himself, apparently applying these same ideas did use
lying and illegal tactics to establish his telecom group, which
eventually applied for bankruptcy before being sold.
Sounds like a "scheme" to me.
Let's look at the definition of the word scheme and this example above:
Scheme: "make plans, esp. in a devious way or with intent to do
something illegal or wrong"
Did the author of the aforementioned book, presumably the leading
expert on how to apply them use such a scheme: devious and illegal
plans, too get rich quickly?
Yes he did.
(You won't find these kinda things in any book)
"Fred Gratzon, founder of long-distance reseller Telegroup in
Fairfield, Iowa, also readily admits to being economical with the
truth. The company's first direct mailing was cunningly designed to
'look like an official notice from the telephone people.' It was a
computer printout with no company logo that blandly stated: 'NOTICE
OF TELEPHONE RATE REDUCTION AVAILABILITY. Due to recent changes in
tariffs of the Federal Communications Commission, your company is
entitled to reduced rates on long-distance service.' Never mind that
those 'recent' changes referred to the Communications Act of 1934.
'The response to this was enormous,' says Gratzon. 'That was the
white lie that launched Telegroup.'
(...) And the time he decided he couldn't afford the expensive
registration process in each state and decided to operate illegally.
'We trod a very gray line,' says Gratzon."
Wow, sounds like a scheme to me and a change of attitude. But, hey,
he got rich. Must've been natural law and support of nature and all
those things Mahesh tried to condition us to believe were virtues.
In practice, the TM org has seen many similar schemes, many believing
what they were doing was OK, after all they were invincible due to
their support from nature. Having seen it first hand (and being
sponsored by two such individuals at one time) it doesn't matter
really what you think or how cleverly you attempt to ambiguate the
facts.
It just shows how far you will go to perpetuate lies, create
diversions and foster deception.
