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Charlie was certainly entertaining, and I really enjoyed his talks and stories. He was always available for personal questions and gave very practical advice, contrary to what one might expect. I think he and Helen saved a boat-load of people from going over the deep-end, just by caring enough to listen to them complain about their problems. The Lutes were very generous that way, and always kind and loving people. The space ships, blue star (planet?) and Christ stories were inspiring to me, even if they didn't happen! Charlie gets and A+ for spiritual entertainment. Lets see: Take the spherical spaceships not the cigar shaped ones Go with the good looking, not the lizards When the blue star comes it will be light 24/7 Christ was a leo (duh) Christ was blond and blue eyed (double duh) In [email protected], "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, I've got to admit, that over the 20+ years I heard Charlie speak > I did hear a few strange things, but then I think you have to realize > this Eastern 'religion' thing was new to all of us, and him at the time. > > One thing struck me as odd when he said in 10 or X years (don't > remember exact time) all the prisoners would just 'miraculously' > disappear from the prisons, apparently to make way for the 'new age'. > > Finally toward the very end I quit going due to the small group of > 'groupies' that had 'worshiped' him, it gave me the creeps, according > to them he was CC and higher. I never looked at him that way, he > enriched my life with his esoteric knowledge he gleaned from Max > Heindel, Manly P. Hall and a few others. > > Also Charlie had character and integrity...yeah, perhaps he > exaggerated a little but I never took those things seriously. Overall > he was a great spiritual mentor and the closest thing to a personal > guru I've ever had! BillyG. > > P.S. One Friday night he said Lord Maitreya had been reborn on earth, > a few nights later he said his 'reliable' source had been 'duped' by a > spirit.......:-) > > --- In [email protected], Jason Spock <jedi_spock@> wrote: > > > > > > > > This is what three TM-tutors in the indian TM-org told me. > > > > TM was formulated about Two thousand years before the Advent > of Adi Sankara..!! TM is more than four thousand years old..!! > > > > GuruDev Bramananda Sarasvati taught TM to Maharishi,,, > almost literaly giving it to him on a Silver plate..!! > > > > Maharishi did NOT travel by foot. People sponsored his > trips which he went by trains and buses. > > > > CurtisDeltaBlues <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 16:48:53 -0000 > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lutes' account of MMY's early days > > > > > > Thanks for posting this Bob. There is a contradictions in his account > > from MMY's own account. Since he was so close to MMY it is > > interesting that he would tell a different story. I am beginning to > > wonder if it is MMY who told different versions to different people. > > But for his official version that is played repeatedly on his courses, > > we are all familiar with that one so my pointing out the difference > > certainly wont bring a flurry of resistance, it will just be an > > obvious fact that we can work out together... > > > > C: A few years before he became Shankaracharya, the old sage made one > > of his rare ventures out of the wilderness. It was at this time that > > Maharishi saw him in a procession and the experience was something > > like spiritual love at first sight. Maharishi, a twenty-year- old > > student, felt an overwhelming desire to be near and serve the great > > master. > > > > Me: In his taped account he came to see Guru Dev in a house at night > > for the first time and caught a "flashy glimpse" when a car headlight > > illuminated his face. There was no procession. > > > > C: He sought out the Guru Dev who told him to first finish his > > education and then come. Two years later, having earned his degree, > > Maharishi headed for the monastery of Jyotir Math in the Himalayan > > religious center of Badrinath, there to devote his life to the Guru > > Dev, "to serve at the feet of my master." And this he did for thirteen > > years until the swami passed on. > > > > Over the years, Maharishi would be asked hundreds of times to talk > > about his past. Reporters were especially curious. But his answer was > > always the same: "Once you take the vows of the monk, past life is > > forgotten." > > > > He told me long ago that when you become a bramachari, or monk, you no > > longer relate to your family or to any of your background. > > > > Me: So is his obvious connection with his family in the indian > > movement a departure from his vows? He set them up with sweet jobs, > > that is definitely relating to them, in fact showing them favoritism. > > If in fact they are actually getting big bank accounts from the > > movement's finances, this would also seem to contradict this vow > > business. So either Charlie is misquoting him or he is not following > > his own standards. > > > > C: From time to time, over the ages, this special technique is brought > > back into focus. The Guru Dev chose Maharishi to do it now. Where the > > Guru Dev acquired the knowledge isn't known; whether it was given to > > him by his own guru many, many years ago, or whether it came to him > > from his attunement with the Infinite. The Guru Dev was a master of > > masters, a master of all paths. His comprehension was universal. > > > > What Maharishi had inherited was the quintessence of Transcendental > > Meditation. It was like a magnificent raw diamond requiring the skill > > of an expert cutter and polisher. Maharishi now had to structure the > > knowledge and make it workable. What was the best way to teach it? > > What were the modes of practicing it? How could it be made appealing > > to the masses? > > > > None of the other monks or holy men could help him. He alone had > > received the knowledge from the Guru Dev. (snip) > > > > Me: Here Charlie seems to be trying to share credit for TM between MMY > > and Guru Dev. Since the simple japa style meditation is so common in > > India I don't really get this claim. (I know the magic effortless > > nature of the practice story) The mantras are not meaningless sounds > > to Indians so for them this aspect of how it is presented in the West > > is absent. So it seems a bit dubious that TM is so unique. Having > > spent a short amount of time after getting out of TM practicing some > > other versions I am not so sure this claim of uniqueness is valid. I > > know many others here have much more experience with different forms > > of meditation so I will leave this topic to the experts. > > > > C: He had traveled more than 1,500 miles, most of that distance on foot. > > > > Me: Puleeeeeeze! Monks get free rides on Indian trains. MMY super > > hiker! Guru Dev super camper! How did such outdoor types end up with > > the pasty faced crew that are their most devoted followers? > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: > mail, news, photos & more. > > >
