A couple of comments below... --- In [email protected], Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Judy, > > We agree. I use "sin" merely as a poetic term for "you're screwed, dude." > > If the Absolute "level" is ignored, then one is, as if, committing > suicide -- Ramana has definitely used the word "suicide" for this > identification -- exclusively -- with amness/isness, since it "kills" > the Self by misdirection. So, I feel like "sin" is poetically close > enough for "un-enlightenment." > > Turq espouses amness is the Self, but if that concept is in actuality > not one's living mindful experience (hopefully it is for Turq) and if > that concept is merely dogma-believed, then calling amness the Self is > egoic delusion-attachment despite it being a true statement. > > Until the Absolute is realized, the ego will indeed be evolving > towards realization via the yagyas of normal life, and the ego will be > found to say, "I'm evolving towards realizing the Absolute." But, > though it is a correct statement, the ego can never reach the Absolute > nor "see it" in order to target it, nor do anything at all but yet > seemingly be sentient nonetheless. > > It can be discovered that the sentience behind ego resides solely in > the Absolute, but only by a neti-neti-neti process whereby one finally > says, "I've sought every WHERE, and none of this is the Absolute, and > none of this is sentient, including the ego that is presently thinking > it is sentient, and since only the Absolute remains unsearched, well, > that's where real sentience must abide." That's amness being > indirectly aware of the Absolute by a concluding process, not an > experience of the Absolute which cannot be any quality ever. > > I think Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is on record as saying that the purpose > of creation (amness) is the expansion of happiness. I'm comfortable > with that as the primal intent of amness, but the connection between > the Absolute and the arising of that primal intent to manifest can > only be realized -- not understood via mechanical sense of being able > to trace back to the source of amness -- Brahma failed the lotus stalk > test after all. > > The mind-you cannot get there. Absolute-you cannot be anywhere else. > If the mind is processing "looking for me," only the Absolute can be > found, but only by the mind ceasing to exist for a moment. If the > mind is looking for anything else, only amness can be found. The > mantra is sought by the mind, so it is followed to amness, but inside > amness, no mantra and no mind can be found, and thus no "leading to > the Absolute" can happen.
This, I really don't follow at all. First you say the Absolute can be found only by the mind ceasing to exist; then you say when the mind ceases to exist at the end of the mantra trail, there can be no finding of the Absolute. Huh?? > See Message #133187 for my tale of a geranium. > > http://tinyurl.com/2jn8yt > > I think Turq views every speck of life as being as valuable as that > geranium. An atheist appreciating life as sacred, go figure. I think > Turq is an angel -- deeply addicted to amness' offers. Just like me. '-) > > Judy, your reply will very interesting to me, since I think you've > "got it" when it comes to using movement nomenclature. Perhaps a > dictionary written by us can be a bridge between our worlds. Oy, I'm not sure I'm up to the challenge. Let me ask you something, though. Where do you (if you do) fit Brahman into your scheme?
