--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > <snip> > > What I was getting from Ron and Swami G's comments was that since > > Mahesh could not be initiated as a swami--as Sw. G sees it from > > her direct experience being in that living tradition > > Au contraire, she claimed (incorrectly) that he > *could* have been: > > "He may claim to be a part of these traditions but no way > is he initiated into it. And once again let it be reminded > that the Math in the North is that of Giri. He most certainly > could have become an full initiate." > > This was quoted in the post to which you were > replying, Vaj. Wonder how you missed it and > decided she had said exactly the opposite? > > > --he would not be > > able to be initiated into the secrets of the tradition. > > > Nonetheless he acts as if he was initated by SBS into the > > tradition. > > In your *opinion* that is how he acts. But has > he ever actually made the claim? > > > If he didn't > > have the inside scoop on the tradition, he couldn't teach it > > nor could he be a line-holder. Therefore the story that TM > > was received from SBS is patently false. This is not to say > > that Mahesh or the TMO has not him-hawed around how and where > > TM came from: one hears different stories as to specifics. > > But not from MMY himself. > > But essentially one is left to > > conclude it's not a lineal transmission and there's some story- > > telling going on from Mr. Varma. > > Such as? > > > I should further add that the appellation "yogi" added > > to his name is also claimed to be false by one of his > > guru-bhais. > > This anonymous person claims MMY is not a practitioner > of yoga? > As she also mentioned the Naga Baba traditions - which are later affiliates of the Dasanami and indicated she is part of it:
The contact i had to the Avahan Akhada,where also giving mantra diksha to ordinary western women who didn't even ask for it. my friend, an israeli woman said she received quite a long mantra, unasked, by a mahant of the Avahan Akhada, after she spend coniderable time in his vicinty. They are really trying o initiate people into their fold, that is making you a sannyasi. In Ujjain there where at least 200 western sadhus alne with the Juna Akhada. But my point is this: Okay, I admit that there are certain initiations that are kept secret, which in a sannyasi tradition you will get only after you are fully intitiated, that is, you are a sadhu. But for me a great master can shape the subtle body of a disciple by mere proximity. I have experienced this myself. If a master is great, he can simply give a transmission without words, if he feels a student is deserving. He wouldn't break a vow in this. While there are words only to be used for certain iniiates, this doesn't mean that the essence of that wisdom of a master couldn't be transmitted through other means, especially if this student has shown great dedication. Just imagine poor student Mahesh running around in the Ashram for GD, basically doing everything, organizing the procession for him at the Kumbh and all other places, but when it comes to the high teaching, Guru Dev would have to say - according to Swami Ganga: Sorry not for you, you are a mere Brahmachari, and you will always be in this order. Of course if MMY would have been intent of becoming a Swami, he could have simply done the next best thing and leave GD, run off at the kumbh or in Haridwar to any other sadhu and ask for initiation and there wouldn't have been a problem, just like Swami G. did, or btw. any one of us could do with success if you are o willing. But he didn't do it because GD was his master, and he was completely dedicated to him, served him for 13 years etc. So you think GD just dumped him, saying: you are not a Brahmin, you are only a Brahmachari? I find this logic ridiculous and even arrogant.
