--- In [email protected], t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "boo_lives" <boo_lives@> wrote: > But he > > > didn't do it because GD was his master, and he was completely > > > dedicated to him, served him for 13 years etc. So you think GD just > > > dumped him, saying: you are not a Brahmin, you are only a Brahmachari? > > > I find this logic ridiculous and even arrogant. > > > > > Who said anything about GD "dumping" MMY. Why is it impossible to > > have a rational discussion with a tmo devotee??? There's a world of > > difference between the assertion that mmy is not the formal successor > > to GD's tradition and saying GD dumped him. > > Please Boo don't get excited about just one word - I am not a native > english speaker, so to express a certain sentiment in a foreign > language isn't always easy. Besides that, I am not a TMO devotee since > long. Try to read it within the context of the whole paragraph I wrote > above. My point is obviousy to look beyound traditional formalisms, > and that a real master like GD could have easiy given a silent > transmission to MMY if he felt he was deserving. This is my > hypothesis. Swami G is simply taking off on the fact that he was not > formally initiated into the Sadhu vows. But I think the essence of a > teachers enlightenment can be transmitted beyound formal initiations. > In this way I dispute the statement of the lack of MMY's qualification > on the mere ground he was a 'novice', 'not even in the initial stages' > (Swami G's words) Wereas it has been clearly shown that the reason for > this is is a formalsm in the extremely conservative tradition. I > simply found Swami G's remarks deceptive. > I apologize trin. for going off on the word. I agree completely with most of what you say, and I personally don't care much for the conservative formalisms of hinduism or any other religion. In general I feel devotion not status is what is important.
The one area I think I disagree - and I'm just recently appreciating this point - is that the head of lineage usually does make clear through external means who the successor is in terms of the living head of the lineage. This does not mean that the head of lineage can't bestow grace and enlightenment or whatever to lots of disciples no matter what their rank, but I'm learning that is a big deal who gets the transmission to take over as head of the lineage and this usually does involve the external trappings. So I think MMY can say whatever he wants in terms of being a good disciple of GD who inspired him to do what he does, but I don't think MMY represents any kind of traditional lineage.
