When I taught one of the first SCI courses using those huge cassettes,
they recalled the physics and biology tapes -- if I remember them
correctly, they were really goofyassed and would turn off any
scientist in about two sentences.

I kept the tapes!!!!  Never sent them back.  One of my first
rebellions against the TMO.  I wonder if they're still playable...in a
storage unit in CA right now.

Edg

--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "george_deforest"
> <george.deforest@> wrote:
> >
> > > TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > 
> > > I kinda doubt there would be much cud to chew.
> > > My take on Maharishi is that he *doesn't* self reflect
> > > like all of us. I'm sitting here racking my brain
> > > trying to remember any example of seeing him do so ...
> > > 
> > > Maybe someone else here can, but it appeared to me that
> > > self-reflection, especially if it required him to assess
> > > his own actions critically, was just [not] among the tools
> > > in his toolbox.
> > 
> > well there is one phrase that shows up now and then...roughly,
> > "after 50 years - the time for talking is over, now it is 
> > time to produce the effect"
> > 
> > This is rather revealing, that he knows that so far he has only
> > talked the talk, but not yet walked the walk, so to speak.
> > 
> > two examples him saying this, there are others
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/112521
> > http://www.rickross.com/reference/tm/tm127.html
> 
> While yours is a positive and, IMO, generous POV
> on Maharishi's use of that phrase, George, I don't
> quite see it that way. When I've heard him use it,
> its intent seems tied to who he's talking to, and
> about. That is, the followers, his students. It's
> time for *them* to stop talking, and sign up for
> the course the way he wants them to (first link 
> you cite). Or contribute big bucks so that he can 
> pursue another of his world-saving schemes.
> 
> I'm stickin' to my guns on this one, but I am 
> curious as to whether anyone else here (many of
> you, after all, have far more experience being
> close to Maharishi than I have) has heard quotes
> that indicate that Maharishi *does* self-reflect,
> in a manner that can be interpreted as viewing his
> own actions critically, admitting mistakes, and
> attempting to learn from them and not make similar
> mistakes in the future. I've racked my tiny brain,
> and I can't remember even a single instance of 
> this. Perhaps someone here can help out and prove
> me wrong.
> 
> I just don't think his wetware is wired that way,
> that's all. He doesn't question his own actions or
> second-guess them because he *assumes* that they
> are "in accord with the laws of nature." His con-
> sistent actions and words when one of his schemes
> blows up and/or produces negative reactions has
> been (in my experience) to hide the evidence and
> blame someone else.
> 
> Case in point -- the first court case over whether
> TM was not religious in nature and thus could be
> taught in public school systems. When that court
> case hit the fan, I was working in the Regional 
> Office in L.A. We received a demand from Maharishi
> (through another Regional Coordinator who was with
> him when he made the decree) that certain audio and
> videotapes we had in the offices in which he used
> language that could be interpreted as religious were
> to be "recalled," and sent back immediately to 
> Switzerland. We were instructed to enforce this in
> the individual TM centers as well, and force them
> to send the tapes back as well. We were told to 
> promise them that they would be reimbursed by
> National for the expense of the tapes they were
> sending back. No one was ever reimbursed. All of
> the tapes disappeared, as far as I can tell, into
> the black hole of covering Maharishi's ass.
> 
> And at the same time, Maharishi gave several talks
> blaming the whole situation on TM teachers who had
> "strayed from the purity of the teaching," by 
> repeating in public *his own words*. 
> 
> I stand ready to be corrected on this by anyone who
> has more knowledge and experience than I on this
> subject. But for right now, I have to stick with my
> original assessment -- self reflection and the ability
> to admit one's mistakes and learn from them is just
> not one of the tools in Maharishi's spiritual toolbox.
>


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