--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi New Morn:
>
> On Jun 19, 2007, at 8:55 PM, new.morning wrote:
>
> > > Between their definition of samadhi (they refer
> > > to it as a state of "mental concentration") and
> > > gamma waves, you mean.
> > >
> > > Vaj, you've made some high-sounding claims that
> > > you haven't even begun to document.
> >
> > But Judy, give him some slack. This is clearly the FIRST such
> > lapse. :)
>
>
> Smart ass.
>
> You have to find the right question first. Here, let me do it for
you
> two since you can't seem to ask the right questions!
>
> Why would bypassing the angas and just trying to cultivate
samadhi
> not work?
>
> A good question is why one would require the angas, the limbs, as
a
> prerequisite for samadhi? Why is this insisted on in the tradition
of
> the Patanjali YS--indeed why is it universally insisted that the
> prerequisites of samadhi cannot be bypassed? Hindu yoga, Buddhist
> yoga and Jaina Yoga all insist similarly that you will not reach
> stabilized samadhi if you attempt do a Darth Vader and bypass the
> prerequisites of samadhi.
>
> Oh you'll achieve something, but it won't be stabilized samadhi
nor
> will it remove the kleshas.
>
> The Buddhist yogin Atisha said:
>
> As long as the prerequisites for samadhi
> Are incomplete, meditative stabilization
> Will not be accomplished, even if you meditate
> Continuously for thousands of years.
>
> The long answer would require days of typing to give a full
> explanation of the mechanics and rationale for all of angas in
the
> Patanjali system of practice and why they are sequential. But I
can
> try to give a simple answer to strike at the faulty view
presented
> and indoctrinated by Mahesh Varma.
>
> According to samkhya, the mind is a modification of matter and
> therefore composed of the three gunas. Disturbed states of mind
> present an imbalance of the gunas. Different types of
disequlibrium
> creates different states of mind. For example rajas will cause
the
> mind to be agitated. These different states of mind are called
the
> five states of the mind-field. The rajas-dominated kshipta state
is
> the common state of mind of your average human.
>
> Vyasa doesn't say much about these five states, but instead the
> tradition of Patanjali deals more with the modification of the
> kshipta state into vi-kshipta. After all, samadhi cannot occur in
a
> kshipta mind-field.
>
> On the path to samadhi sattva-guna begins to illuminate the mind-
> field and the mind begins to find some spontaneous concentration
> where thoughts subside and then stop. Rajas and tamas however
still
> make their presence felt thru lethargy/torpor and flighty
thoughts.
> This state where is swayed by rajas is called distraction or
> vikshepa. (Vikshepas are the nine impediments and their five
> companions.)
>
> Nonetheless some people who still have distracted minds do claim
to
> be yogis!
>
> Vyasa says this in regards to such people:
>
> Samadhi subordinated and eclipsed by distraction in a distracted
> (vikshipta) mind-field is not fit to be included within the
category
> of yoga (i.e. samadhi, since yoga=samadhi).
>
> Consequently what happens in a vikshipta state of mind is that
styles
> of proto-samadhi are all that can occur, in short bursts (e.g.
TM).
> These short bursts are not capable of removing the kleshas and so
> therefore stability cannot develop. It takes the prerequisites of
> samadhi to help the mind be capable of sustaining samadhi and for
> these short gaps to develop into uninterrupted, cognitive samadhi.
>
> Without the prerequisites of samadhi, samadhi never stabilizes,
even
> if practiced continuously for many, many lifetimes.
>
> This is just one reason explained in the practice tradition of
> Patanjali, there are others more completely understood by
> understanding the bhumis and the rationale behind the sequence of
the
> angas or limbs.
>
Oh you are just too funny! Next, please explain why bumblebees can't
fly...:-)
