Aaaaaaaaaargh! Stop! Life is supposed to be neat and orderly, linear and sequential! Enough with all this paradox stuff!
--- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "qntmpkt" <qntmpkt@> wrote: > > > > ---the two modes exist simultaneously together, yet you insist on > > conflating them in the same context without clarifying which mode > you > > are referring to. > > Yes, I tend to conflate these two modes in my own Being, as for me > the Absolute is not really other than the relative and vice versa. > For me all the so-called opposites are merely multidimensional > labels, arbitrary placeholders to generate some story or other, > which can be a lot of fun if entered into in the right spirit (i.e, > of disbelief). > > I find this conflation is useful to relieve myself of the old > addictive need to think myself entirely within spacetime and so to > judge or blame or even recognize anyone or anything outside myself. > By holding myself entirely responsible for the quality of my own > creation, which is my own absolutely perfect mirror, I constantly > unfold new facets of myself I had never consciously imagined! Who > dreamed I would someday be a parent, and of such a multitude of > *odd*ly lovable children? :-) > > >The Neo-Advaitin aspect (i.e. the no need to > > rectify things, is obvious; even to Indian philosophy > intellectuals, > > or should be). > > I would like to object mildly to calling my Understanding Neo- > Advaitin, as I came by it (or it came by me) without study of or > particular respect for any of these currently-fashionable teachers. > Not that I have anything against them; many of them speak the Truth > more clearly than I. This self-evident recognition merely awoke in > me quite spontaneously when I saw that the so-called "path" was no > longer getting me anywhere, nor did I wish anymore to *go* anywhere, > or to measure myself anymore by any criteria but the Self alone. > Everything was the same, and it became self-evident, crystal-clear, > that all I ever wanted -- eternal perfection, outside space-time -- > was already being offered to me; I had but to surrender to/insist > upon it. > > > The other mode (relative-in-itself); is also obvious since even > > though you say there's no need to rectify the answer, you did > rectify > > it!. > > I believe I said I felt no need to rectify my impulse to clarify > your misapprehension. In other words, my statement stands that I > feel no need to rectify things, one of those things being the > aforesaid impulse. The understanding that everything is perfect as > it is (and as it IS) does *not* mean we are invested in its > remaining that way, or are attached to changing it. Whatever > emerges, we go with that, we let it be, and let it become, to > whatever density of manifestation -- thought, word, deed -- that it > wishes or needs, until love knows itself thoroughly to be love, and > we have fully digested some "new" particle of "Me". > > > Also, you previously referred to MMY as saying "I don't make > > mistakes"; which should be obvious re: the Neo-Advaitin mode. > It's > > also obvious that he makes an abundance of relative mistakes. > > Therefore, the two modes coexist perfectly. > > Yes! In fact, for me they are the same, appearing to change only in > response to the approach we take to it, like the quantum reality's > manifesting as wave or particle in response to the measuring > instrument used. > > > The problem arises when one party is referring to the relative > mode, > > and the inquiree plays the Neo-Advaitin shuffle by arbitrarily > > switching back from one mode to another...resulting in > ridiculously > > false Neo-Advaitin statements such as one might find coming from > the > > mouth of Ramesh Balsekar such as (there's no mistakes, no karma, > no > > suffering, ....)....all Neo-Advaitin gobbledenonsense. > > See, calling this the Neo-Advaitin shuffle or gobbledenonsense is > kind of like the kid calling it a trick when we pour the water from > the tall, narrow glass into the fat, short glass. There *are* no > mistakes, no karma, no suffering. And of course these exist in > abundance. Simultaneously, and arising into our awareness depending > on the instrument of inquiry used -- heart or mind. > > We might even go so far as to say that suffering is the echo we > give ourselves as feedback to tell our mind it is thinking > incorrectly, in a heartless manner. With enough such feedback, > eventually we get it, and subside into our own love-Being! :-) > > But one of the great things about Earth is the sheer abundance of > world-views it offers. If you don't like the "Neo-Advaitin" kids or > the langauge they use, no one's making you hang out with them or > speak their language, are they? > > :-) > > *L*L*L* >
