Jesus Christ....Like two kids in the back seat on a long, hot car ride. If I was your father I'd slap the shit out of both of you and tie you to the roof for a couple of hundred miles. Perhaps that'd knock some sense into your personality disordered asses. Have a good day ;-)
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Ignoring the slam, focusing on the only > interesting > > thing Judy said: > > Nah, let's first just restore your slam at > *me* and expose its disingenuity again--you > know, the part you're so eager for folks to > forget about: > > <snip> > > I do find it amusing that the person who is first > in > > line to "bust" people here for being contradictory > and > > to claim that makes them unbelievable as sources > of > > information seems to hold as her favorite > Maharishi > > quote him contradicting himself big-time. :-) > > Not my "favorite Maharishi quote." > > As Barry knows, I've never had any problem with > "knowledge is different in different states of > consciousness"-type contradictions. > > As Barry also knows, what I "bust" him for are his > waking-state contradictions (the ones he attempts > to justify by claiming he changes constantly from > one small self to another, or by invoking the > "knowledge is different" premise as if his waking- > state contradictions fell into that category). > > Perhaps he'll try one of those dodges to explain > why he delivered a long rant last week claiming > that I'm always the one who "starts it," then > proceeded to attack me three or four times as > soon as he was sure I wouldn't be back until the > next week. > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" > <jstein@> > > wrote: > > > > > > As Barry also knows, what I "bust" him for are > his > > > waking-state contradictions (the ones he > attempts > > > to justify by claiming he changes constantly > from > > > one small self to another, or by invoking the > > > "knowledge is different" premise as if his > waking- > > > state contradictions fell into that category). > > > > Do you honestly believe that the waking state > > is only one state of consciousness, and thus > > that "knowledge is different in different states > > of consciousness doesn't apply to it?" > > Obviously, it depends on how you define "states of > consciousness." > > For instance, "knowledge is different in different > states of consciousness" does not apply to claiming > I'm the person who always "starts it" one day and > then only a week later making several posts > attacking > me, entirely unprovoked. > > > I'll be interested to hear your answer, because > > I don't. I see the "waking state" more from a > > Buddhist POV these days, and thus as having > > "ten thousand states of mind," > > "States of mind" are not the same as "states of > consciousness." > > all of them > > different, all of them *as* different from one > > another in terms of how the world appears when > > viewed from that state of mind as Maharishi's > > CC is from his "Waking State" or GC or UC. > > No, states of mind aren't different from each > other the same way CC/GC/UC is from waking state. > Category error. > > > Think back, Jude. I know you were young once, > > and possibly...uh...overindulged in the evils of > > alcohol. It's even remotely possible that once > > or twice in your life you woke up with a screamin' > > hangover, the kind that first makes you think > > you're gonna die, and after a few minutes makes > > you worry that maybe you won't. > > Nah, never had anything like that bad a hangover. > > > In such a state of waking state, do you actually > > claim that the "reality" you saw around you while > > hung over was the *same* reality that you see > > after a nice, shiny meditation? (Assuming that > > you *have* nice, shiny, meditations, that is.) > > > > Similarly, when you've been up for 36 hours > working > > on some deadline, and are so tired that you can > > barely keep your eyes open, do you honestly > believe > > that your perceptions of the world around you are > > the *same* as having just arisen from a good > night's > > sleep? (Well, in your case they might be, but I > don't > > think most people would say that they are.) > > Hangovers and tiredness both involve states of > mind, not states of consciousness. After meditation, > however, may well involve a different state of > consciousness, for a while at least. > > > Knowledge (and the perception of "reality") are > NOT > > just different in Maharishi's dumbed-down "seven > > states of consciousness." They're different in > *all* > > of the ten thousand states of mind. > > Different orders of difference. > > > Most humans, as far as I can tell, > > Which is not *nearly* far enough to justify the > claim that follows (a side point, but worth > noting in passing): > > only experience > > about twenty or thirty of the different states of > > mind available to them *within* the "waking > state." > > They bounce back and forth between the same old > > same old to more same old same old, never > venturing > > past the familiar. > > > > But once you've bounced a little further on the > > spectrum, and have experienced a few states of > mind > > *within* the waking state that are as different > from > > the same old same old and from one another as CC > is > > from GC or UC, you don't tend to believe that > MMY's > > "7 SOCs" is anywhere near accurate. > > False dichotomy. MMY's 7 states of consciousness > represent more or less arbitrary points on a > spectrum; most of us figured that out quite some > time ago. > > And virtually everyone in the world knows there > are many different states of mind within the waking > state (although apparently for you this is a > profound insight). > > But the differences between the points on the state- > of-consciousness spectrum and the differences > between waking states of mind are not, as noted, of > the same order. > > The contradiction involved in claiming I'm the > person who always "starts it" one day and then only > a week later making several posts attacking me, > entirely unprovoked, is a function of intellectually > dishonest states of mind, not of different knowledge > in different states of consciousness. > > > Feel free to respond with a long "gotta defend > myself > > at all costs and slam Barry at the same time" rant > > > if you'd like. If so, you'll find no response on > my > > end. But if you think you can actually address the > > > topic I've brought up, without rancor, I'd love to > > > hear your take on it. > > Until you learn to deal with your own same-old, > same-old low-state-of-mind rancor, I'm afraid > you're just going to have to put up with mine. > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433
