--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Very interesting exchange. This poor woman, not swami > g, seems to be caught in some real subtle mental traps > and very confused. I wish her the best.
I agree. In this case, IMO Swami G is giving good advice. Who, after all, would dial a telephone number at random, get someone they don't know from Adam on the other end of the phone, and then base everything they do and believe in their lives on what that person says? That's what those who trust in "astral teachers" and communication with disembodied entities are doing. As a teacher I worked with once said, "Just because they're dead doesn't make them smart." > --- Ron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello group, > > > > The first 2 posts didnt come out right so here goes > > third attempt: > > > > Post 1: > > > > __Om Namo Narayana - __* My SatGuru is one in > > physical form, yet I > > have had no direct teachings. All have been in > > astral levels only.__G > > any teachings that come solely through astral realms > > are suspect. __* > > I do not have any direct Guru. > > > > __G this is unfortunate - > > > > __* Time to time I have had the needed trainings > > needed on my path. > > And the growth has been much to my own satisfaction > > and phenomenal in > > the eyes of many others. But the path is different > > than Tantra. > > > > __G what is the path ? > > > > __* While all in all any spiritual path is > > ultimately relating to > > tantra, yet there are different pathways. I am sure > > you would > > understand what I am conveying. __ > > > > G All paths Yes lead ultimately to the ONE > > Indivisible Truth of Being. > > Yet the _methodologies are vastly different on how > > to reach this end. > > __* Unfortunately I cannot disclose my satguru's > > identity because have > > been advised to refrain from doing such in the very > > initial stage of > > these astral transferences way back in 1997. > > > > __G i would Never ever promote that all teachings > > come within the > > realm of _Astral - as in Astral realm maybe what is > > given is correct - > > maybe what comes _through is tinged with ego > > leanings - maybe what > > comes is being masqueraded _and comes through > > another entity. This is > > also a probability. ---- There is _very little > > stability with anything > > Astrally connected. Parabrahman is BEYOND_all astral > > nonsense. So why > > is the focal point within the realm of unending > > _phenomena ? > > > > __* With the grace flowing such, I have moved. > > Since almost a year > > now, I have been a victim of Kali Tantra (in > > conjunction with the > > energies of Rahu, Ketu, Shani and Mangal). > > > > __G what are you terming being a victim of Kali > > Tantra ? As far as the > > conjunction _of energies these only hold sway when > > one is within a > > mental fixation about them. _The Light beyond lights > > is ALWAYS PURE > > and the shadows are only flotsum of _reflected > > shadows. --- they have > > no substance other than what you yourself _are > > attributing them to have. > > > > __* I dont mean any offence here to path of tantra > > which in my own > > opinion is a sacred path. > > > > __G there is Tantra - and then there is an abusive > > aberation which i > > do not term _tantra at all but rather black arts. > > --- black arts is > > wrongly termed *tantra*. Just _as Occult is not > > Knowledge. Knowledge > > is having gone beyond all such phenomena. > > > > __* But you would surely know that there are other > > sides of this > > vidya also. I know the people also doing it. They > > have been caught > > redhanded and there is documentary evidence also for > > the same. > > > > __G ok - and ? Why are you being held by fear ? > > > > __* Unfortunately or as destined, whatever, they are > > my own students > > and trained in the same art that I practise. > > > > __G really ? so why did you teach your students > > such a thing ? or did > > they get their _knowledge from Astral realm beings ? > > such is my > > constraint on such things. _Only in ONE to ONE > > communication with Sat > > Guru to Sadhaka in the form of face _to face > > teaching and guidance is > > Reliable. > > > > __* I take this also as a state of Shakti Parikshan > > for myself. > > > > __G there is examination and then Examination. My > > questioning is why > > _a secrecy concerning a Sat Guru - these are not the > > actions of a Sat > > Guru to _require secrecy concerning their name. > > There is something > > very suspect in _this. > > > > __* A lot has been happenning since and there is > > undercover himsa > > that is affecting many people right from small > > children to old people. > > And there is regular suffering for many at physical, > > emotional, mental > > levels in this spiritual evolution thrown across at > > them without their > > wish or will through a use of force.__G what do you > > mean by this ? > > > > __* I have tried out all means for settlement. > > > > __G settlement in what way ? What needs to be > > settled ? > > > > __* The group involved is itself not really knowing > > what is wished > > for. They seem to have just one thing in mind. That > > I should surrender > > to them bowing on my feet, and then they would be > > the ones to uplift > > me in worldly realms of things, and see to it that I > > become a kind of > > star. They claim to be having such instruction from > > the same astral > > source. And to me this is catastrophy.__ > > > > G there is no good thing there - This is NOT the way > > of a Spiritual > > Teacher - _one is not a Sat Guru UNTIL one has gone > > Beyond all such > > drama's. A Sat Guru _would not for one instant put > > up with any of this > > drama. So my questioning _is - that perhaps your > > Guru is not in fact a > > Sat Guru (completed) but rather _something else. > > __in order to fully > > advise i need a transparent disclosure. __But what > > you are describing > > has all the earmarks of a cultic persuation. _One > > that has gone off > > the mark and is not headed towards the Liberation > > _of a Surrender to > > that Light beyond lights. But rather a fear based > > and greed _based > > dynamic and what has this to do with Realization and > > becoming free _of > > the egoic mind drama ? __Understand that Kali brings > > tough experience > > but it is with an end to _aide the Sincere Sadhaka > > to break through > > their own delusions. __If it is something other than > > this then that > > has Nothing to do with Kali _but is something else > > being masqueraded > > under her banner. > > > > __* My reaching to you to me is a plan of the same > > grace. Kindly advise. > > > > __G Do you want to be free of this ? As darkness > > only may continue to > > have _the substance that you continue to feed energy > > to it ? Mind is > > quantum - _Fear feeds the flames - one must Starve > > out shadow play. > > ____Thanks.__Maha Shanti Om _0 _ > > > > > > Poat 2: > > > > Om Namo Narayana - > > > > __* My SatGuru is one in physical form, yet I have > > had no direct > > teachings. All have been in astral levels only.__ > > > > G any teachings that come solely through astral > > realms are suspect. > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting >
