--- In [email protected], "hugheshugo" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > This post is for those that are under the impression that
> > what goes on at Gitmo or what went on at Abu Ghraib was
> > torture.
> > 
> > Go see the following video and then come back here and tell
> > us if you still feel what the Americans did was torture (do
> > NOT see the video if you are faint of heart because it very
> > well may be the most disturbing video you ever see.  That was
> > certainly the case for me):
> > 
>
> I can't look at this as I'm in a public library but the title
> tells me all I need to know. But surely beheading isn't torture
> it's execution? the idea of torture is to get information out
> of people, tricky to confess to anything when your head is any 
> distance from your body.

Not to mention, if you're beheaded, at least you're
spared prolonged, agonizing suffering.

> The main question is, how do you know what the CIA are doing? Why 
> do you think they've been flying people half-way round the world
> to countries that freely admit they practise torture? for the air-
> miles?
> 
> Setting dogs on people and giving them electric shocks IS
> torture, and it's illegal under international law and any sane 
> moral code.

Not to mention waterboarding, "stress positions,"
sleep deprivation, extremes of temperature...and 
God knows what else.

> Besides, 
> it doesn't even work if the people are guilty let alone innocent
> as most are/were at gitmo & abu graib. I was going to end by
> saying the US doesn't get off because the people don't actually
> die but plenty have been beaten to death at the hands of 
> the "coalition of the willing"

And many others have been so psychologically
traumatized they'll never be normal.

> Shame on us.

Indeed.

The Washington Post has been publishing a series
of articles on Dick Cheney's vice presidency; his
activities in making torture a tool of U.S. policy
are truly sick-making.


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