Richard J. Williams wrote:
> Bhairitu wrote:
>   
>> Most of everything in the meditation method of TM 
>> can be found in a book or two published by Swami 
>> Sivananda in the 1930s and that is just one example.
>>
>>     
> So, how come Swami Satchitananda or Swami Vishnudevananda
> couldn't teach any of their students how to effortlessly 
> transcend? I took their course in Yoga back in the '70s
> and neither one of them said anything about transcending
> - I got the impression that they didn't have a clue and
> so that's why they taught concentration on the tip of 
> their nose.
>
>   
Sounds like you were learning stretching exercises not meditation.
>> The reason so many teachers give shaktipat as part 
>> of the meditation instruction is so the student can 
>> instantly transcend and it sets up the mind for 
>> transcending with practicing the mantra.
>>
>>     
> Maybe so, but I got shaktiput from Swami Muktananda when
> he visited California a few days before Franklin Jones
> met him. Later Jones called himself The Master Da, but
> neither one of them seemed to have a clue about teaching
> anyone how to transcend using a TM technique. If they
> did, I guess they would have said something about it, 
> would they not?
>
>   
Shaktipat is one thing as if often just given as a "blessing" when 
crowds assemble.  In conjunction with teaching meditation it is a 
jumpstart for the meditation.  I take it you didn't learn meditation 
from them.
> At any rate, I guess it's now been settled: Vaj got 
> "enlightened" at seeing a guy sitting with locked legs in 
> a cafeteria in Honesburg, Barry got "zapped" by Fred
> Lentz at a light show in Los Angeles, and now you're
> telling us that you got enlightened by a "power touch" 
> in downtown Oakland.
>
> Maybe you three got "touched" in the head and you lost
> you marbles in a trance-induction state. Who knows? So,
> you guys have been in and out of cults for most of your 
> adult life, but I'm the one who eats prarie dog tacos? 
>
> Eat your rice, then wash your bowl!
>
>
>   
Enjoy your prairie dog stew.  Then take the garbage out.


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