Not alone. But having practised and studied for a long time, he can very well distinguish, and so can I. We can compare, as we have lots of experience to draw from. This my, and the impresion of many here as well, in conjunction to the many inconsistencies of your Gurus claims and her general behaviour, leads to a certain judgement which is nothing more, a judgement, an opinion, nothing absolute.
TANMAY: MY CAPS ARE ONLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF COMMENTS BEING FOUND, I AM NOT SHOUTING. I MET SWAMI G ON LINE- TRANSMISSIONS STARTED OCCURING FOR ME AND THE KUNDALINI STARTED AWAKENING FROM OBSERVING MY BREATH AND READING THE POSTS. IT IS ALL IN THE ARCHIVES UNDER SWAMI G SPEAKS YAHOO GROUP. I ASKED A 1000 QUESTIONS PLUS I LOOKED OVER MANY OF THE 10,000 POSTS FOR THE LAST 6 YEARS IN THE DIFFERENT YAHOO GROUPS. MY OPINION WAS THERE WAS AN UNWAVERING CONSISTENCY IN THE POINTS BEING CONVEYED. SO, THAT WAS THE BASIS FOR ME TO LOOK DEEPER. I AM GUESSING THAT SO FAR THE STUFF YOU HAVE SEEN IS SIMILAR TO WHAT I DID PRIOR TO JUMPING IN. IT IS NOT A MATTER OF NUMBERS, I DONT CARE IF 10 MILLION DISAGREE, BUT MY OPINION AT THAT POINT WAS IT LOOKED OK, SO TIME TO LOOK DEEPER. SO, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION EVEN AT THIS POINT, HOWEVER, I DID HAVE EXPERIENCES FROM THE POST. I CAN CONTINUE WITH SOME OF SWAMI G'S COMMENTS BUT BASED ON WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, IT IS NOT SIGNIFICANT WHAT SWAMI G HAS TO SAY BUT NONE THE LESS, ONE OF HER COMMENTS WAS THAT IF A DISCIPLE HAS COME A CERTAIN DISTANCE IN THE JOURNEY, WHEN THEY ARE AROUND THE GURU, THERE IS NO NEED FOR MEDITATION, AS THEY GO INTO A DEEP MEDITATION AT ALL TIMES FROM BEING AROUND THE GURU- THIS IS WHAT MMY EXPLAINED HAPPENED TO HIM, AND I HAD THIS, MAYBE OTHERS HERE ALSO HAVE- THEN IT IS OF COURSE UNDERSTOOD Okay, one to one, I am totally okay with it, but does this mean that one should have a cyber-guru? WHATEVER THE GURU GIVES AS METHODOLOGY, IT WORKS WELL WHEN ONE SAYS YES GURUJI, AND IF ONE ARGUES WITH THE GURU AND TELLS THEM WHAT THE METHODOLOGIES SHOULD BE, THEN WHY BOTHER GOING TO A GURU? MSN messaging is not one-to-one in my eyes. AGAIN, THE SIGNIFICANT PART OF THIS IS A GURU HAS METHODOLOGIES, IF IT IS NOT MEETING WHAT YOUR EYES WANT, THEN TIME TO RUN AWAY OR SURRENDER TO THE PROCESS, FREE WILL IS THERE If you want one-to one its not just about spending an occassional holiday, but LIVING day-by-day, WORKING meaning doing actual work with the guru. RIGHT TO THE POINT- I AM IN A ONE TO ONE RELATIONSHIP WITH MY GURU, IT IS AWESOME, MY KUNDALINI IS FULLY AWAKE, MY GURU IS LIVING FOR THE SADAKAS, THIS IS HER COMMITMENT, THE PATH IS FIRST, AND THE PATH IS THE SADAKAS. IF WHAT I AM DOING DOESN'T FIT IN WITH YOUR DEFINITION OF ONE TO ONE, THEN CHANGE THE DEFINITION BECAUSE IT IS GOING REALLY WELL HERE. MY GURU HAS BLASTED AWAY AT TIMES WITH ME, IT WAS PUBLIC EVEN. THIS IS THE VELVIT 2 X 4 SMASHING AWAY AT EGO. ON THE OTHER HAND, NO WORDS REALLY CAN EXPLAIN WHAT IS TAKING PLACE Most people can't afford that sort of thing. OVER HERE IN THIS PATH, WHICH YOU HAVE DECIDED HAS A GURU THAT IS NOT A GURU, IT IS VERY PRACTICAL AND IT IS 100% ONE TO ONE FOR ALL SADAKAS- THEN I SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE PROGRESS AND CLARITY OF THE SADAKAS, OF MYSLEF, AS A RESULT OF THIS METHODOLOGY And then one-to-one with WHOM? GURU IS CONSCIOUSNESS Do you mean one-to-one with just about anyone claimng to be a Satguru? ONCE AGAIN, IT IS NOT READING WHAT A SAT GURU SAYS, WATCHING WHAT THEY SAY ON A VIDEO, FINDING A SAT GURU, ACCORDING TO SWAMI G SHOULD MEAN BEING IN PERSON WITH BOTH THE GURU AND THE SADAKAS- THEN SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH BOTH WORDS CAN BE PERFECT- "THERE IS NO ONE TO BE ENLIGHTENED ", ETC- IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE PERFECT WORDS CRUMBLED QUICKLY ONCE I SPENT TIME WITH THOSE CLAIMING ENLIGHTENMENT I have more one-to-one than you probably ever get in your live, but I am not going around with this 'Concept' like a Jehovas Witness from door to door. I have a Sat-Guru, I have personal advice, plenty, I have spiritual experiences, but I am not going around and setting it up as a dogma. IT IS NOT A COMPETITION- I AM PROMOTING SOMETHING AS SEVA, KNOCKING ON THE INTERNET DOORS. I AM ENJOYING IT ALSO BUT I CERTAINLY DONT LIKE GETTING MY DOOR BELL RUNG BY THE JESUS FOLKS OR JEHOVAS. USUALLY, AS IT IS THE CASE IN TM AS WELL, THE PEOPLE PORTRAY BALANCE IN THEIR LIFE WHEN DELIVERING THEIR MESSAGE, THEY LIVE TO SOME DEGREE THE EFFECTS THEY ARE PROMOTING- SO THAT IS WHY IT GREW, PEOPLE NOTICE SOME CALMNESS AND BALANCED BEHAVIOR WHEN THEY GET A SPIEL FROM TM FOLKS THAT THEY DONT GET FROM THE JEHOVA FOLKS USUALLY, WHEN IN TM OR WITH A GURU AS I THINK YOU MIGHT BE SAYING YOU ARE, IT IS A PART OF THE PATH AS SEVA TO FURTHER THE GURUS TEACHINGS, BUT THERE IS NOT IN THIS CASE HERE ANY RULES- DOGMA ISN'T HERE IN MY PATH, OR IF IT IS OR YOU LABEL IT THAT WAY, IT IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN IN TM There are enough people who have profited from a TM like meditation, and claim enlghtenment by it, SWAMI G SAID ONCE MMY PASSES, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF SELF PROCLAIMED COMING FORWARD and they are probably more so than you (not to denounce your experiences). IOW there are different ways. Not everybody will be one-to-one in an external relationship with a 'sat-guru'. WE HAVE MAYBE 15 DISCIPLES - THAT IS IT BUT THE DOOR IS OPEN- 10,000 POSTS IN YAHOO GROUPS , 5000 HITS IN YOU TUBE- THESE TWO THINGS ARE OFFERED HERE- ONE TO ONE AND SAT GURU- WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE THAN OFFER? THIS PATH HERE IS NOT INTERESTED IN PROMOTING SWEET TRUTH, AND CERTAINLY THERE IS NO EGO CANDY HANDED OUT, IT IS BALLS TO THE WALLS IN SWAMI G'S WORDS. SWAMI G PREFERS NO DISCIPLES- I THINK OFTEN THE HEALTH OF THE BODY OF THE GURU GOES DOWN THE DRAIN- IT WOULDN'T IF THEY KEPT THE DISCIPLES AWAY- IF A GURU IS NOT CARING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE PATH IS FIRST, THAT TELLS ME SOMETHING Many enlightened beings in the world have never had an external Guru, Ramana is just one to mention here, Shivabalayogi would be another one. SWAMI G SAID THAT THE CONCEPT OF YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF WAS INSPIRED BY MANY IN LOOKING AT RAMANA MAHARISHI. SWAMI G HOLDS RAMANA TO BE A SAT GURU, AND SAID NO ONE CAN WRONG WITH RAMANA- AND SWAMI G SAID THAT RAMANA SAYS 100% THAT ONE NEEDS A GURU FOR ENLIGHTENMENT. GENERALLY, SWAMI G'S COMMENTS ABOUT WHY PEOPLE LOVE TO HEAR YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR OWN IS THIS IS EGO. SOME RARE PEOPLE ARE BORN VERY RIPE, THEN SOME LITTLE DARSHAN IS ENOUGH TO REMOVE THE FINAL THREADS OF EGO. I SUPPOSE IT IS EGO WHICH COMES ALONG TO SAY I AM THAT RARE SPECIAL ONE AS RAMANA WAS AND JUST LIKE HIM, I DONT NEED A GURU EITHER. UP TO EACH PERSON THOUGH, YOU HAVE FREE WILL. ANOTHER INTERESTING THING TO POINT OUT- SWAMI G TELLS ABOUT MUKTANANDAS GURU, NITYANANDA. HE CHECKED OUT EARLY AND THEY DIDNT FIND ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE BODY. HE SAID THAT THERE WAS NOT ONE DISCIPLE (INCLUDES MUKTANANDA) THAT DIDNT COME FOR A BETTER ME, NOT ONE SINCERE ENOUGH DISCIPLE. THIS WAS NOT SO LONG AGO, SO NOT MUCH DIFFERENT TODAY SWAMI SAID IN INDIA- LET THEM ALL FALL AWAY- THIS IS THE SMALL AMONT OF SADAKAS THAT ARE EVEN HERE, AS EVEN IN THIS SMALL GROUP, SOME ARE NOT FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THE COMMITMENT TO EVEN KEEP IN TOUCH I BROUGHT THESE POINTS UP BECAUSE NUMBERS AND AMOUNTS OF PEOPLE AND CONCENSUS OF OPINION HAS NO IMPACT ON ME. EVEN IF I WERE THE ONLY DISCIPLE WITH SWAMI G, THAT IS OK WITH ME BUT STILL AT THE MOMENT THE DOOR IS OPEN I just said: look people, compare the video of the 'swami' G. and that video of Shivabalayogi. Everybody can gather his/her own impression. Its not about being indian or not. Its in the movement, the eyes, the whole behaviour, something in the expression of the whole person, but you don't seem to get this. just look at the photo of Ramana Maharshi, look at his eyes, and compare that, and you know what I mean. I LOOKED AT MY OWN CONSCIOUSNESS SINKING IN THE PRESENCE OF SWAMI G, THEN SEEING A NORMAL WOMAN LIVING TOGETHER- JUST THE TWO OF US- I TOLD HER, WHILE IN MY VERY DEEP STATE THAT MOST WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET PAST THE PERSONALITY. SHE SAID THAT IS RIGHT. THE GURU IS NOT THE EYES, BEHAVIOR, PERSONALITY, FOR WHEN THOSE THINGS ARE GONE, NOTHING AT ALL HAS CHANGED FOR THE SAT GURU. MY KUNDALINI WAS FULLY AWAKENED, THEN THIS IS ( NOT WAS) A DEEP STATE OF PEACE I HAVE WALKED AWAY WITH AND AM LIVING. I CALL UP SWAMI G AND TELL HER OH MY GOD, THIS IS JUST SO AWESOME. SHE KNOWS WHAT IS TAKING PLACE, SO DO I. WHAT IS IT THAT I AM NOT GETTING? THAT THE VIDEOS, PICTURES, WRITINGS, ARE WHAT YOU CAN USE TO SEE NOT ONLY IF ONE IS ENLIGHTENED BUT ALSO IF YOU CAN BENEFIT FROM IT? I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN ARRIVE AT YOUR OPINION AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I TOLD SWAMI G PEOPLE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET PAST THE PERSONALITY. THAT IS HOW IT IS. NOW, WE ARE GATHERING A LIST OF HOW THE ENLIGHTENED ARE- THEY HAVE THESE SERENE EYES- ONE IS SUNK IN THE ABSOLUTE, THE OTHER IS FOCUSED IN THE WORLD, THEY ARE WISE AND CALM AT ALL TIMES, THERE BEHAVIOR IS SERENE, THEIR WALK IS LIKE AN ELEPHANT- THE LIGHT GLOWS FROM THEIR HEAD, THEY HAVE THIS SERENE BLISS SMILE, THEIR PERSONALITY IS SO FLAWLESS SECOND TO NONE IN HOW CLEAVER THEY ARE TO GIVE THE PERECT ANSWERS, - IF THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR YOUR DETERMINATION, OK- BUT WHAT SWAMI G WOULD TELL YOU IS THAT GURU IS CONSCIOSNESS, ALL THOSE THINGS JUST MENTIONED ARE TRANSCIENT QUALITIES I WONDER WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY IF YOU WERE AROUND WHEN RAMANA SLAPPED A MAN FOR STEALING? THERE WAS ONE THAT WROTE A BOOK EXPOSING ALL THE FLAWS OF RAMANA, SO HE CAN SAVE THE WORLD FROM THIS FAKE. AS I HAVE HEARD IT, RAMANA WAS DELIGHTED AND WISHING THE BOOK GREAT SUCCESS. THIS IS FOR THE SAME REASONS I SAID HOW SWAMI G PREFERS NO DISCIPLES Well thats what I am doing. But you may also recognize a great being, even if you see it on a video or just a photo. ADI DA LOOKED PRETTY GOOD TO ME AT FIRST GLANCE ON YOU TUBE- MY INTUITION NOW SAYS IF I PROBE DEEPER, THERE MAY BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY, SAME WITH ANOTHER ON YOU TUBE- SOMETHING LIKE DAIYATA BABA. DONT KNOW FOR SURE BUT AGAIN THE INTEREST IS WHEN THE DISCIPLES ARE IN CONFUSION- THAT IS SWAMI G'S INTEREST AS SEVA. ONE WROTE IN FROM ADI DA- IT HAD ALL THE MAKINGS OF ONE RIPE TO FOLLOW THE CULT LEADER TO THE END. YOU KNOW THAT THING- DONT JUDGE A BOOK BY THE COVER- IT IS NOT A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR ME TO TELL ME THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE INSIDE THE BOOK FROM THE VIDEOS- ACTUALLY, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING WITH SWAMI G. IT IS MY EXPERIENCE THAT TELLS ME ONE NEEDS TO BE IN PERSON FOR SOME TIME TO DETERMINE, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, YOU CONFIRM THIS BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU ARE SEEING INSIDE THE BOOK FROM THE COVER, BUT YOU ARE NOT. IF IT IS A HELP FOR YOU, SWAMI NITYANANDA JUST MET WITH SWAMI G IN LA. SWAMI G SAID HE IS ENLIGHTENED. THEY EXTENDED FORMAL AND WARM OPEN ARM GREETINGS TO SWAMI G, ALL THE SADAKAS WERE ASKED TO LEAVE AND THE TWO OF THEM MET. SWAMI G WILL PROBABLY BE MEETING WITH HIM ONE MORE TIME BEFORE HE GOES BACK TO INDIA . And, if you would have seen my other posts, I narrated the transmission I got from Shivabalayogi, by simply being in his Ashram, not even seeing him. Extraordinary. I had seen photos of him before, having read a book, and had a similar experience. So, from a photo, a video, you can gather something, and thats what people here are doing. TRANSMISSONS AND PHENOMINA OCCUR IN ALL SHAPES AND SIZES. ONE GUY FROZE AND HAD TOBE CARRIED TO HIS ROOM. I WAS REALLY DEEP IN INDIA AT A PARTICULAR TIME AND ASKED SWAMI G FOR SHAKTIPAT, THE THOGHT OF THAT GUY THAT FROZE MUST HAVE COME UP BECAUSE SWAMI G WOULDNT DO IT, AND MENTIONED THAT THING- WE WERE OUTSIDE AT THE TIME IF THE TRANSMISSION FULLY AWAKENS KUNDALINI, IT CANT BE SWITCHED OFF- WHEN YOU LEAVE AND GO HOME, THE TRANSMISSION IN THE FORM OF THE AWAKENED KUNDALINI IS WITH YOU. THERE ARE DEGREES OF THIS- FORTUNATELY IS IS A BIG DEGREE FOR ME AND SERVES AS AN ANCHOR SO THAT I AM SPEAKING FROM IT, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT STATE OF CONSCIOUSNESS. AS I HAVE SAID, ONE THAT IS NOT IN THE MIDST OF A KUNDALINI AWAKENING, OR SOME INTUITION IS THERE BECAUSE THE KUNDALINI IS STARTING TO AWAKE, OR UNLESS ONE IS A SAT GURU FAMILIAR WITH KUNDALINI, THEN PEOPLE WILL THINK I AM MAKING UP STORIES. MAYBE ONE THING TO CONSIDER IS WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WALKED AWAY WITH THAT IS LASTING? SWAMI G COMMENTED ON ONE OF THE SADAKAS HERE THAT ATTENDED THE 21 DAY COURSE WITH KALKI. WHILE AGAIN, WE HAVE SEEN MANY IN CONFUSION- ONE LADY WROTE IN AND WAS CONTEMPLATING SUICIDE JUST AFTER FINISHING THE 21 DAY COURSE, FOR EXAMPLE- AND THERE ARE MORE I HAVE SEEN. ANYWAY, SWAMI G COMMENTED THAT YORUM WALKED AWAY WITH SOMETHING LASTING FROM BEING WITH KALKI AND THIS IS GOOD. They get attracted or not, and that is what they are expressing. Why are you afraid if I tell people that they may compare that Shivabalayogi with the videos of your guru G? Whats the reason you put it on youtube then? WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT? I AM NOT AFRAID- I WILL EVEN WATCH THE VIDEOS AND PROBABLY SEND THEM TO SWAMI G. WHEN I TOOK DIKSHA, SWAMI G WAS READING THINGS TO ME FROM RAMANAS BOOK, SHOWED ME VIDEOS OF GANGAJI AND ALSO VIPRASANA. ALSO SWAMI G SENDS HER STUDENTS TO VIPRASANA ADVISES NOT TO GET INTO THE PHILOSOPHY OF IT No, not at all. My guru is not male for example. Also when I joined my Guru, she had almost no following, it was almost like a secret. But then she didn't advertise herself. I find it funny, to go around proselyticing and then making it a point that there is no big following. IT IS COMPASSION WHICH MOTIVATES THE OFFER- THE DOOR IS OPEN BUT IT IS A FACT THAT THERE IS NOT A BIG FOLLOWING. THAT IS HOW IT IS- I AM SURE THERE ARE STRANGER THINGS IN THE SPIRITUAL COMMUNITY IF YOU GATHER STATISTICS ON EVENTS, POLICIES, METHODOLOGIES AND HOW THEY ARE FOLLOWED. >From another post: How is Klaus doing these days ?... Tanmay: busy renting rooms in his house
