--Right on! That's why one should practice TM and add the Maha-Sat- Guru, Ramana Maharshi. Start with the chant of Ramana's Names: "Bhaje Ramana Namam" available through http://www.arunachala.org Ramana had a vision in which he saw the entire universe getting sucked into himself. This was in relationship to the world, not his own Sadhana, which in relation to Self-Realization, was completed many years prior to that. Ramana's influence grows as more people get sucked into his M-Field. This includes people in the "lineage" (actually, there's no lineage but Gangaji uses that word)...but there IS a powerful M-field! To continue, this M-field embraces most of the so-called Neo- Advaitins; for example Eckart Tolle who was inspired by Ramana. Also, with a similar vibe are HWL Poonja, Andrew Cohen, ...; any numerous other Neo-Advaitins. We can draw three overlapping circles of non-dualist Sadhanas: 1. Buddhism, 2. Saivite (and related schools) Hinduism, 3. Neo-Advaita Any of the overlapping areas are compatible in practice in spite of different origins and various philosophical colors. While it is true that a Fundie Christian can also practice TM (one recently posted a message), we must emphasisize that this(TM) is a practice, not a philosophy; since if you splice on a philosophical orientation to TM, (Saivite non-dualism, Shankara); one will find numerous major incompatibilites between the philosophy and orthodox Christianity. (but not Gnostic Christianity). We can use an analogy to black holes. Take a section interstellar space in which we find numerous black holes. Possibly, whole galaxies and countless black holes can merge together into one super black hole; but before that happens, we can identify the initial "seed" black hole which is the most powerful, absorbing in due course all of the others. The Ramana Maharshi M-field is that initial, superpowerful black hole. The other two major black holes are Buddhism and Saivite Hinduism, but this is related directly to Ramana since he was a devotee of Arunachala Shiva. Thus, Neo-Advaita (in spite of the adherents eschewing any affity to "Shiva" as a Personality - apart from Ramana); is fully compatible with Saivite Hinduism. Thus, these two black holes can merge, leaving 1. Neo-Advaita and 2. Buddhism Neither of these ultimate Maha-black holes will absorb the other; but rather both will live on for an infinity of time; if not in our universe, then on and on in countless universes yet to be created. Ultimately, creation will not spawn creatures apart from full Self- Realization; and the notion of duality itself will become extinct, with all creatures - even rocks and perhaps robots, fully Realized and living in a vast infinitely expansive kingdom.
- In [email protected], "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], xxxxxxxx> wrote: > TM simply provides a more ideal opportunity for > the transcending. As a technique it is second to > none, in my opinion, and I've studied under > numerous teachers. TM sure surpasses in > effectiveness the concentration on the tip of > the nose taught by most yoga teachers! > > You can't seem to cite a single teacher or > technique that provides a simple, easily learned > technique for effortless transcending. That's my > point. > > Tanmay: > > Hard to communicate my following points but will attempt to. Yes the technique of TM is > awesome, simple and it works, transcending was immediate in the very first meditation, > stayed deep all through the years, was the deepest in the last 5 years where just > awareness of awareness in meditation and some sort of significant deep bliss at times > through out the whole day outside of meditation. > > This friend of mine, who I used to do program with in Vlodrop, had the same things to say > more or less as I just did, and unfortunately, he jumped in front of a train one year ago. > My experience is that a technique is something the Guru gives out as a part of the journey > for unfolding enlightenment. The significant and major difference that is not in the path > with TM and is where I am now is the one to one guidance of a Sat Guru. This is all the > difference in the world. > > I have seen people with experiences yet in a fog because that guidance wasn't there. So > what happens when the technique is effective and brings about experiences? hit or miss if > the Guru is not right there to guide and one to one. Mostly it is a mss. When samadi comes > about, Nirvakalpa samadi, Nirvakalpa sahaj samdi, this is a very important time when the > Guru needs to be there one to one. This point is coming from my Guru. Look how > Yogananda was confirmed by his Guru to be in enlightenment. > > My Guru disagrees with a policy of giving out a technique and then leaving people on their > own to figure things out. It is required to keep in touch and this is a commitment one > makes as a sadaka in this path. The commitment from the Guru's side is to be willing to > guide one to one. Commitments from both sides. > > If it were to get larger, then the very few assigned to help other sadakas would be very > carefully evaluated and watched and in training as a Guru. My guru finds it irresponsible > to have others guiding people who cant even guide themselves. > > Again, this lady that went for an irresponsible long swim from New Haven,, this guy from > Danbury who killed himself, the one from Vlodrop- all Governors- at some point through > the years, I did program with all of them at different places. I know of plenty more > casualties- so this is a hefty price for the success stories. I think of the concept of > sending the boys off to war to die for our freedom- not acceptable IMO. > > I think from my Gurus point of view, that after having done a technique on the path for 30 > years with long hours, then being in a fog and with confusion, this is also a casualty. >
