--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ah the things Judy says when someone suggests that > her behavior and beliefs might be a little...uh... > cultlike. :-) > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Then again, most of the folks here spent thousands > > > of dollars and up to 30 years of their lives trying > > > to learn to "fly." > > > > Actually, I spent $3,000 for the entire TM-Sidhis > > course (not the $5,000 you claim below). Not sure > > exactly how much of that $3,000 was for learning > > the flying sutra, but it obviously was only some > > fraction of the entire sum. > > Did you learn it in residence for six months? > The cost for that was 5000 bucks, in 1977.
Right. And so? > > I *certainly* haven't spent anywhere near 30 years > > of my life practicing the flying sutra or even the > > entire TM-Sidhis program, nor has anyone else here. > > Ah...when she gets peeved, Judy forgets how to > do *math*, too. :-) The first siddhis courses were > in 1976 or so, Jude. I and at least one other person > here were on courses in 1977. > > Just because you were late to the party doesn't > mean that everyone else was. Given the people on > this forum, I think it's likely that at least a > few of them have been doing the TM siddhis for > 30 years. None of them, however, have spent anywhere near 30 years of their lives practicing the flying sutra or even the entire TM-Sidhi program. > Haven't you learned yet to not try to sound > knowledgeable about a movement you were never > a part of? :-) Hmmm? Did you fantasize that I said something about the movement (like you fantasized that there was something wrong with my math)? <snip> > You can rent it from me next year if you'd like. > But then you'd have to leave New Jersey, wouldn't > you? And we *all* know what a paradise New Jersey > is, and about the intelligent and exciting people > who choose to live there and breathe the fine air, Yes, the fresh air off the ocean is just delicious where I am on the Jersey shore, a block from the beach. New Jersey, of course, is mostly quite lovely. It's among the 10 most-visited states in the U.S., with gorgeous countryside, farmland, wetlands, pine barrens, beaches, forests, wilderness, waterways, mountains, nature trails, parks, and a huge variety of birds and wildlife, as well as the most horses per square mile in the country. It's also the wealthiest state in the Union; New Jersey women have the highest per-capita income in the U.S. We have one of the best public education systems in the country and are tied with Massachusetts for the highest percentage of high school graduates who go on to college. We also have the most scientists and engineers per square mile in the world and are one of the most ethnically and religiously diverse states. New Jersey is the birthplace of FM radio, the motion picture camera, lithium battery, light bulb, transistors, electric train, drive-in movie, cultivated blueberry, cranberry sauce, postcard, boardwalk, zipper, phonograph, saltwater taffy, dirigible, and ice cream cone; and of Frank Sinatra, Bruce Springsteen, Queen Latifah, Jon Bon Jovi, Dionne Warwick, Count Basie, Isely Brothers, and the Four Seasons (among many others). Glad you recognize what a terrific place it is to live. But I'm sure Spain has some very nice areas too. (Putting this back in just for kicks:) > It's just levitating, guys. Or flying through the > air. You paid big bucks a few years ago because you > not only thought it was possible, you thought you'd > be able to do it. And now, after 30 years with no > payoff, when someone says that he's actually seen it, > you act like you're rational and he's the crazy one. >From here, it looks like the crazy one is the guy who walked out on all the potential personal (and possibly global) development of consciousness from the TM-Sidhis program because it wasn't "interesting" enough, then got fixated on a dude who was able to make him think the dude could levitate, but who never provided him with whatever was necessary to enable him to do the same thing, even though the crazy one paid the dude many thousands of dollars in the hope that he would. The crazy one thus treasures a memory of something he thinks he saw but that never came to fruition for himself, and tells himself (and us) that somehow having this memory makes him "better" than we are, while we, the rational ones, continue to enjoy the development of consciousness resulting from our practice of a program we paid for once many years ago and own for the rest of our lives. > Get real. I just did. But, of course, there are at least as many different realities as there are people, as you're constantly telling us. So when you demand that we "get real," what you're really demanding is that we adopt *your* reality--something about which, if someone else demanded it of you, your shrieks of outrage would be audible all the way to Mars. > Even if it was an illusion, I've seen it and you > haven't. And that's what you're pissed off about. No, Barry, that's your *fantasy*, the reality you construct for yourself. Awfully petty and small- minded compared to the reality of developing one's consciousness (and possibly that of the world)-- even if *that* turns out to have been an illusion as well. (And jeez, talk about getting "caught in a compulsive cycle of living in the past"! How many times now have you gone through this routine here?)
