On Jul 12, 2007, at 8:42 AM, billy jim wrote:

So this if fun Vaj. I've watched you perform and now I think I've got it. One or two small rocks thrown against the fence and woof, woof, the barking dogs race over to snarl and bare their teeth. And it only took one rock - the word "greater".

"Woof, Woof."
This is quite amusing.

But I do have a question. Have you read Shankara's vivarana on Patanjali's sutras dealing with Ishvara?

Many years ago.

While discussing how Ishvara is a special purusha eternally free from klesha-s, sanskaras and karmic residue, he mentions the Buddhist claim that Buddha was a sarva-jnanin. He points out that the two claims are different. According to Buddhism, Shakyamuni was an ordinary person - ignorant and unawake. His all-knowingness after enlightenment was a change in condition over time and therefore can not be an essential quality he actualized. Patanjali defined Ishvara as essentially all-knowing, uncontratrained by time, space or the causal process. Unconditioned Ishvara is the guru of even the most ancient gurus and rishis unlike Buddha who could not be the teacher those who preceeded him.

I don't know why you are bringing me into this thread, I hadn't even written any responses. What gives?

Personally, I find creator gods pompous and overrated, whether it's YHVH-1 or Ishvara or whomever.

 How do you evaluate this comparison?

Without direct quotes, that would be hard to do, even if such a topic did interest me.

And don't give me that doctrinare fluff you feed to the others - nuanced or not. It is an interesting question is it not?

Maybe for academics.


Greater, Better, Mostest ... Uttama!
Woof, Woof.

Oh, by the way. If you'll just cover yourself with the blood of Jesus you'll be able to weep again. At least for your sins. Heh, heh.

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